'Trans Lives Matter' protesters occupy the Oklahoma Capitol building

Ahh, now I understand what you're saying. If a rioter breaks a window then it is OK to shoot them dead. Man, just think of all the BLM rioters would could have shot dead if we wanted to. By the way, can you show me the video of Ashley Babbit breaking a window?

 

Well a voted constitutional amendment ban in CA (which already had Domestic Partnerships) led to a Circuit Court ruling to overturn it which led to an affirmation at appeals which got rolled into other rulings around the country which eventually ended up at SCOTUS and Obergefell was the result.

The evidence was in the process. I didn't want to bore you with the details since it's pretty familiar territory by now.

What's your take on it? Do you think bans are effective?

 

It depends on if people are in immediate danger. All of Congress had not been evacuated yet.

Do you see a difference though between this recent event where people are standing around with signs vs. Jan 6 protesters assaulting officers, breaking windows?

 

They breached the OKC capitol grounds, being in an area where they should not have been. Are you saying the Jan 6th peaceful protesters weren't carrying signs?

 

Sounds like this protest is over, nobody was reported hurt or killed, there was no property damage, and nobody broke in.

If the authorities want to pursue misdemeanor trespassing charges, I guess those could be supported.

I haven't read everything on this event, but anybody seriously comparing this to Jan 6th is dumber than a brick....

 

Also, when someone says "I reckon" it's kind of implicit that that's an opinion not a legal brief.

It's been my observation that when social-conservatives try to ban something it always ends up back-firing on them. From Elvis's gyrating hips, to parental advisory stickers on Heavy Metal and Rap CDs to sex sex marriage and now to transsexuality. All have gone on to enjoy far more prominence and popularity then they ever had before.

Just what I've witnessed in my 60+ years on this Earth.

 

I didn't bring her up, you did. You grave-dancer you......

The lawmakers were barricaded in one section of the Capitol and she was forcing her way through the barricade. The Law Enforcement defended their perimeter, and with one shot they succeeded in stopping the assault.

If you and your family are in your house while someone is breaking thought the window, do you just ask "pardon me, are you armed, and what are your intentions here"? Or do you neutralize the threat?

If you can't see any differences, then so be it.

 

From what I have read, officers let them into the building as long as they went through metal detectors. Why doe sthe RW media need to lie and pretend they pushed their way past police and stormed the capitol?

 

If I had my own personal barricade of POLICE inside my house I would ask for her NOT to be put down, especially since she was UNARMED

I can see the difference just fine.
INSURRECTION FOR ME BUT NOT FOR THEE

 

Well, it is pretty much a false equivalency.

 

How many officers were injured, lawmakers evacuated, damage to property so we can compare the 2 situations. Thank you.

 

Notice how no one on the left is saying it was undercover FBI agents, MAGA trying to incite?

 

Officers also let Jan 6th protesters in.

 

Can you show me a similar scene from the most recent insurrection comparable to jan 6?

 

Ummmmmmmm, can you show me a picture of Ashley Babbit committing a crime worthy of being shot?

 

Can you show me a picture of the insurrection at the OK capitol with protestors storming?

 

So, you're saying that you can't find the picture I asked for?

 

Sure thing. Here is where she was shot. The House had not been completely evacuated at the moment the crowd reached outside the Speaker's hall. If the crowd gets past the officers where Babbit was shot, have free entry into the chambers here representatives were still present. Now, please show me a picture of the insurrection at OK capitol of protesters storming the capitol and beating police officers.

 

Your perception is incorrect.

 

Some are effective, some aren’t. Nothing is 100 percent effective but that doesn’t mean there isn’t value gained.

 

Nice blanket statement without even an opinion to support it.

 

Oh! I agree. I used to know about zero concerning transgenderism. Because of these bans or attempted bans on treatment and the renewed focus on, what I thought was pretty much a dormant issue, I'm learning a lot.

That will be most useful in conversations going forward.

 

You already have the video. You pretend it does not exist. You know and the world now knows through the video released that Babbit climbed through a broken glass door with an angry mob behind her. Standing between her leading that mob and elected officials directly in the line of the angry protesters was the officer who made a single shot that killed her.

You pretend the video does not exist, you ask for something you already have because you spin. You try spin Babbit was innocent and there were no angry protesters as well as her who represented a direct threat to the lives of that officer and the people he was sworn to protect.

You engage in the most pathetic and lame of attempts to change what happened to suit your political agenda which is to pretend there were no violent protests at the White House that precipitated this shooting.

More to the point you deflect from the thread to engage in a pathetic attempt to justify violence.

 

You engage in a limp and half-assed exercise of trying to equate the above event with the Jan. 6 Capital Hill event.

1. If in fact the two events in your mind are equivalent, explain how the protesters in the above event threatened lives, were damaging property, called for the Vice President to be killed, called on people to overthrow the government with violence. Please explain. Explain what election they claim was fixed. Explain which police officers they threatened.

You can't. If you want to defend the violent protest on Capital Hill have the moral integrity to do so and not hide behind the above event. Moral equivalency is a cowardly exercise. It also does not establish a moral standard by saying if one person in your opinion is immoral, you can be as well.

What you engage in is an exercise in justifying a violent tantrum.

 

The attempt to engage in a sarcastic moral equivalency argument as Lil Mike speaks for itself in terms of its dishonesty.

1. In the demonstration Lil Mike speaks of in Oklahoma he is well aware the demonstrators from Oklahomans for Equality and Freedom "occupied" the interior rotunda of the building, which is open to the public as a tourist attraction. He is well aware they remained in that open to the public area and unlike the protesters at Capital Hill did not engage in violence with officers before entering, did not damage or attempt to damage any property, did not attempt to go anywhere else, did not call for the overthrow of the elected government, did not carry weapons, did not call out to kill the Vice President. So to attempt to compare the two incidents as the same is not only intellectually dishonest but cowardly in that it attempts to justify and rationalize physical violence and vandalism by hiding behind this incident when he is well aware it was not the same. For him to pose he did not know it was not peaceful is dishonest. It would be impossible to read what happened without knowing the details of what happened.

The videos of both events is there for anyone to see so for Lil Mike to pose sarcastically and make them out to be the same is pathetic.

The video clearly shows the protesters in Oklahoma holding signs and chanting. NOTHING ELSE.

Anyone can see the difference by looking at the videos.

The real issue which Lil Mike deliberately deflects from is the issue of violence. IF any of the protesters in Oklahoma had engaged in violence, which they DID NOT, of course they would have and should be held to the exact same standard as any violent person at Capital Hill.

The issue is NOT engaging in peaceful protest its about engaging in violence.

Lil Mike is well aware he wants to justify the violence of his Trump buddies by mocking trans gender people.

I call that exercise cowardly. It is cowardly to engage in mob violence then try smeer transgendered people to deflect from that violence.

Go on Lil Mike finish the allegations and comparison. Provide one example of any Transgendered person who tried to break into closed off areas, chanted for the killing of the Vice President, kicked in doors, attacked police, called any election a sham, called on people to overthrow the elected government. Go on finish it Lil Mike.

You won't. You never do.