New DeSantis immigration law backfires as farmers and hotels struggle to find workers

"States" don't pay taxes... Individuals do.

In case you missed the overriding point I was making, it is this: Biden took what he had to have known was an Unconstitutional action, and he did it to GOTV from younger voters as payback for the money he 'secured' for them. It worked. It may help him and his party again in '24 after the USSC inevitably finds his EO to be illegal when he and his crew blame that proper decision on those "MAGA Republicans", that weren't even a thing until he (or more likely, his handlers) invented them within the past 6-12 months give or take.

All he did by taking that action was to successfully purchase votes with taxpayer money. That will be reversed... Mark my words. In fact, as I understand it, that might happen as soon as this week.

 

We're doing just fine, thanks. My home went up 300% from 2016 to 2022ish, and then had a brief dip due to raising interest rates caused by bidenflation, but they have since reversed that and are going back up. Granted, that's but a single data point, but when it comes to expensive and necessary things, housing, whether purchased or leased, is probably near the top of the list of economic health indicators. We here in Florida, for the most part, do not want or need illegal slave labor in order to thrive.

And since it is both illegal and essentially slavery, that should be a double whammy against it if you are a fan of following the law, but for some reason when it comes to illegals (in someone else's back yard), the left can't help themselves. They encourage it, ignore it, look the other way, hire them, say we can't do without them lest the price of tomatoes goes up, but then get them out of their areas (Martha's Vineyard, anyone?) as soon as they arrive if not sooner. NYC and Chicago are both crying after rolling out the welcome mat when they actually started showing up, and revenge is a dish best served cold!

 

Whether true or not, and I'm 54 and retired (albeit involuntarily and medically), and doing fine. People are stupid, though, and they don't save jack spit for their golden years, and to me, that sounds like a personal problem. It also has nothing whatsoever to do with DeSantis or Florida, but I do realize that beating Ron down is probably priority #1 for y'all as you know if he wins the GOP nom, he's a shoe-in over Biden, who has only harmed the country since he was sworn in.

 

No, no, read it again. What I said was that if people are given a choice in between working a job they don't like, and starving, and they choose starving, then I don't care. That is not at all the same as your implication.

When low wage employers need low or no-skill employees, one thing government ought to do is match those employers up with able-bodied persons who are on the public dole and assign them one of those jobs in lieu of further free money. And it should be a take it or leave it kind of deal. "Take the job or don't, that's your choice to make of your own free will, but either way since we found you a job, your benefits are fini."

 

I was one of those, too, despite my career path being mostly on the sales side, so I know the kind of money you make/were making. If you failed to save up for that 'rainy day' of unemployment, that is your problem!

PS... If you do find yourself in the situation, and have to take a filler job to make ends meet due to your lack of prior proper planning, don't put it on the ole' resume, and you won't have that problem.

 

social security disability changes that - true

republicans want people to work younger and longer...

 

You are right, state don’t pay taxes but individual do. Individuals in Blue country pay taxes which goes to individual in RED state for Food stamps.

I am not a legal scholar, I will wait for SCOTUS to tell me Biden student Debt relief is unconstitutional or not. I will wait few more weeks. I am careless about your opinion abut legal matter.

Every politician purchase vote. Republicans cut taxes that’s why all rich Wall Street guys line up vote and donate money to GOP.

 

There is no free money after 26 weeks. Don’t create imaginary program to fit your narrative.

 

I’m glad you’re real estate investment is doing well. But it’s irrelevant to labor issues we are currently having. If the numbers are to be believed, that we are at full employment (did you actually read my post?), but jobs are going wanting. Especially in areas where migrant workers have traditionally filled the need. Then how does it not make sense that we find a way to make them LEGAL immigrants that can work here LEGALLY! Those people are a valuable asset we SHOULD take advantage of. Not exploit but put to use.

When our competitors in the Far East are facing serious labor shortages and have no ready solution. We have people at our border begging to work here.

If you’re really afraid of their vote then be their advocate and friend. You could grow your party overnight and your business’s too. Win, win! And so does The United States.

 

Your own words seem to contradict you. You would not work at a job which is beneath you because it might result in you having to take another job which is beneath you. So you choose not to work.

 

Thanks for the career advice. I think I am doing fine without your advice.

My point is we all pay into taxes in our society. Today I am working, and I am paying taxes for someone who is out of a job or who is disabled, tomorrow someone will pay for me if I am out of a job. That is how a civilized world works. Civilized world works like “ it takes a village to raise a child”.

What you suggesting “ only the strong will survive”. That is 15th century society, we have left that kind of society 500 years ago. We have no interest going back to a philosophy of “survival of the fittest”. As I often say conservatism doesn’t belong in 21st century, it belongs in 17th century. Fortunately for me, In America conservatism is dying. Majority American may not be liberal like me, but past 40 years majority Americans voting for Democrats

 

Your attitude might be part of the reason for the fentanyl invasion. Can you say illegal immigrants?

Assimilate those who do not respect our sovereignty? As well as those with bad behavior? End of the line! Americans control the spigot! Not greedy employers!

 

No conservatives know there is a right way to enter a country.....that's all.

 

No, I am not contradicting anything. What I said is if someone has been working as software engineer for 25 years and all of a sudden in his resume I see his last job is a Fast Food restaurant , my first question will be “ why is this person working in Burger King, he must have done something really bad” , I wouldn’t even call him for interview. This is how real world works. I know this is not fair , but that is how the world works.

This is why if I lose my job as Cloud Architect , I wouldn’t even take a cloud Administrator job, because it will show in my resume I am going backward and not forward.

By the way , getting unemployment benefit for 26 weeks will not make me feel bad at all. I have worked more then 30 years and paid taxes so one day when I need help , I can get it. This is how we build civilized society. Conservative philosophy – you are on your own, if you have no money – go f$$$ yourself, we are not sharing with you. That kind of philosophy belongs in 17th century.

 

Your claim is fake news. I keyword searched for "Florida" and your source doesn't mention Florida.

 

I want farmers to be able to get their produce to market.

That's it. The current immigration laws do not accommodate farmers, and as long as they do not, an unjust situation exists.

What I support is to change the law, so that the law will not have to be violated.

When you fail to mention these things, you are not being as truthful as you could be.

 

Yeah, so the right says that when stats are favorable to Joe Biden, he had nothing to do with it.

But when right says the stats are favorable to Trump, he is solely responsible.

Got it.

 

I don't get social security disability.

As for working younger and longer, I dgaf when people work or don't, as long as they are supporting themselves, and not sticking their hand out expecting free money. But, for people who are not wealthy, I expect them to work to provide their needs on their own, including their post-retirement needs. There is no excuse for an able-bodied person to be taking money, ultimately at the point of a gun, from complete strangers because they can't, or more likely won't take care of themselves like big boys and girls.

 

Not even close to a response. Let's try again. If you don't believe in labor laws for illegals, why do you believe in them for actual American citizens?

 

Or tell them during your interview you are an invaluable employee because you are willing to do things you don’t particularly enjoy to get things done and take care of those you have responsibilities to. Hell, put that in the resume to begin with. Don’t act ashamed of other forms of work and others will respect that.

 

It might but, it’s not, my attitude is we should confront China, where most fentanyl originates, an make them stop poisoning us.

Is this a test now? I’ve already spelled illegal immigration; I’m sorry but I’m not sending you a tape of me saying it.

I think the truth is refugees at our borders have nothing but respect for America. So much so they risked their lives to get here.

Humm, that’s sad to hear. Conservatives don’t no there’s a right way to enter the country … “no conservatives know”? I would have guessed at least one, if not many. - sad

 

We all pay taxes. That does not mean we have to abuse the system. You are in a job with unique circumstances and as such, you should be prepared for such emergencies. Make sure you have enough money put aside to take care of emergencies. Either that or pick a profession that does not require you to abuse the system in order to continue your profession. We are not responsible for your choice of professions.

 

Show me once where I have said Trump is not responsible. I object to our government officials lying to us. You should object also.

 

So what? Individuals have individual philosophies and political views, and many producers are sick and tired of being taxed to death to pay the bills of those who refuse to take care of themselves. Others call themselves 'liberals' and/or 'empathetic', but call for tax increases out of one side of their mouths, but don't pay more than they are supposed to when the rubber hits the road.

It's so easy to be generous with OPM, eh?

You don't have to be a legal scholar. All you need to do is understand that government can only do those things that have been explicitly authorized to them to do, and then to read the Constitution to discover what they have been authorized to actually do. Since all spending is required to originate in the HoR, and Biden's vote buying scheme didn't do that, it's elementary school logic to conclude that spending that money was something he lacks the authority to authorize.

You read it here first, I'm hoping we'll get the decision this week, but the way the Court works, we'll get it when they're damn good and ready to give it to us, unless some unauthorized person releases a copy of it to the public again. But, if I were a betting man (and I am), I would bet you don't see that again anytime soon, if ever. No doubt there have been more security layers added, including some that are unknown to most if not all staffers, in an effort to insure that it doesn't, but if it does, to make sure who did it will be easy to determine. It wouldn't be that hard, for all the people who have a need to see those documents before they are made public, you could just make very minor, unnoticeable changes in them, maybe changing a pronoun here and there, or some minor punctuation changes. Just to make every individual's copy unique in a way that is known only to the inside of the insiders, and that will lead them to the perp if another one ever surfaces.

I've never met a tax cut I wasn't in favor of, mostly because I think government at all levels is soooo much larger than it should be. I'm pulling some numbers together to demonstrate that, similar to something I did in the circa-2006 timeframe, which showed that our federal government spending, when normalized for inflation and per capita, have grown dramatically over time, to the point that we reached the same peak we encountered during WWII, when so much was being spent to protect the entire planet, sometime in the 1990s, and has only accelerated up and to the right from there. There is no excuse in that, and no real reason for us to be spending more today than we did during a literal World War. This means that taxes as things currently exist are way higher than they should be. Not to mention that tax cuts are not done via Presidential fiat, like Biden's vote buying scheme does wrt college loans.

 

DeSantis is not responsible for the immigration laws.

Make your argument without your petty insults.