What is good about Open Borders?

Follow existing law.

 

You're right in one respect -- illegal or fraudulent 'migration' is a huge political football. But who was actually president when all this started full-tilt? OBAMA!

And I'm pissed at Trump, too, because instead of stopping it with executive action containing a moratorium on all migration (with very few exceptions) for an emergency period of 5 years, Trump built part of an essentially useless 'wall', and did it with American money -- not Mexican money as he promised in the 2016 campaign.

We'll never get this mess dealt with correctly now, and it just gets worse and worse every damned day....

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Yes, and he pushed for an immigration reform, which was written in 2012 and passed the Senate with bi-partisan vote. It would funded a wall, increase border agents, expedite deportations. Heck, pro-immigration people called him "deporter in chief" because no one had ever deported more then him (until now). By the end of his term, illegal crossings came down to less than quarter compared to 1980s. Why did the GOP refuse to discuss the bill? They LIKE the problem. Its as good as abortion was, if not better in getting votes.

I don't think anyone with a full deck ever thought Mexico would pay for it.

Its not a money issue. We could afford it, but there is no political will. The House could authorize it right now, but they don't want to.

 

From NYC to Chicago and points beyond, Biden is out of touch with his own constituents.

Chicago Residents Let Loose About Illegal Aliens During Council Meeting, Even Call for Trump to Come In

George Blakemore and some of the other residents had had enough and called for something to be done to help the residents. He asked who made these decisions without asking them for their input. I think the most interesting reaction is the reaction of the people in the audience when he rejects Joe Biden by calling for former President Donald Trump to come in and clean up the situation.

Mr. Blakemore said he was against people entering illegally. He said it was "un-American" and "disgraceful" that they were giving benefits to illegal aliens over Americans.

Who made these rules? Who voted for these rules? When did people have time to participate in making these rules? And one of y'all came over to me and said, 'Well, Mr. Blakemore, we've got children.' Well, what about the Black children in the ghetto?

Trump, come in here, clean this mess up! The most corrupt city in the United States is the City of Chicago! I am an anti-illegal immigrant.

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/202...-aliens-want-trump-in-to-get-it-done-n2167872

 

Perhaps without realizing it, you've touched on another sensitive and potentially important point -- that of Trump possibly not "playing with a full deck", or, of him being so superficially deceptive that he thought no one would notice or care that it was "we, the people" of the United States who were being gulled into paying billions of dollars for a 'wall' that was doomed to be laughably ineffective -- oh, and yes, that would have also been true even if Obama would have tried to build one, as you suggest.

A 'wall', per se, never was the answer. We needed armed surveillance drones, roving intercept platoons made up of U. S. military personnel, and deployment of anti-personnel devices, lethal and non-lethal on our side of the border. But it has been completely beyond imagination that anyone in either major political 'camp' would think of doing anything so EFFECTIVE as that, even though the cost of running an operation of that kind would be a small fraction of the expense involved in an easily defeated 'wall'....

 

Current laws should be followed which ones are not?

 

Good for you.

I make it a point of contributing to humanitarian charities whose work reduces the probability of families needing to migrate.

 

LOL, I read the link. Nowhere does the link say they are the government. PERIOD. The op-ed simply shows how the Sinaloa Cartel has four factions, all warring amongst themselves for control. The examples she is giving are interesting. I have no doubt they have controlled fisheries in the Baja California region, but fisheries are not just in Baja California. Thus trade includes everything, not just fishing. Sinaloa Cartel does extortion to gain control. Extortion is not taxes, never has been, never will be. Their "forces" enforce the extortion and other activities. They can be ruthless if you cross them or not pay the extortion money, but again, extortion is not taxes. The "wellfare" distribution is not welfare, it is bribes. Nothing more and nothing less. And it goes to people who are loyal to the cartel, such as informing them of Federales wanting to come in and exert control for instance. They literally are the spies that the cartel relies on to keep control of the Mexican State. The Mexican state of Baja California is one of 31 states plus the District of Columbia. Most of the cartels are in the north, but there are some that are scattered in the other states. Not all are as powerful as Sinaloa Cartel.

Your argument fails. It makes gross assumptions and think that one Mexican state is the entire country. Try again.

 

Family reunification is to make sure the family of the immigrant stays intact. For USC marrying aliens, it includes not only the spouse, but any children from the prior relationship, parents, and brother/sister. For those who come under the H-1b visa, the alien might be the worker, but he should be able to bring their spouse and any kids they might have.T Or do you think married aliens applying for a job here should leave their family behind? Thus it is not "everyone" in the immigration code.

 

If you want Congress to "operate in an orderly and honest environment, aka to pass bills, then elect better candidates. We have too many of the Paul Gosars, MTGs, Jim Jordans, etc who are more interested in the bait and clicks than actually passing laws. The GOP is the culprit here. That's the problem. The progressives in the Democratic party are a much more minority than the MEGA conservatives are in the GOP, both House and Senate. The GOP has piss poor leadership in the House, piss poor representatives that tend to make this more about "me" than anything else, and so forth. The conservative media are the enablers at every stage of the problem with their dishonesty to practically everything. The biggest recipient of them enabling is DJT who is not honest at all, not at anything.

Second, no one is making promises here. What we are trying to do, which ironically, you don't want to do, is solve the crisis. So, that is on you and no one else. I have explained how we can solve most of the illegal immigration issues, which have a symbiotic relationship to the legal problems within immigration.

 

I hope you are giving that to those who teach people to do for themselves, instead of expecting to get it from others. Only independent people can build strong societies and nations. When you take responsibity
for people's comfort or welfare, they will decide you are the person who owes them a better life, and will camp in your back yard to be closer to the free stuff.

 

Wrong. We cannot control the honesty of candidates, and history proves it. What we can do is enforce the rules that already exist, and have those who won't keep the rules thrown out of the game. The views of politicians are the business of the voters- but dishonesty in office, the failure to do your job by the rules is the business of every citizen- and that qualifies you to be removed from office.
We have the rules- we don't have enforcement. Rules not enforced are not rules at all, and that alone has allowed Congress to become a circus of chaos. They noit only know, now- they are admitting it, and admitting they don't know how to fix it.

Congress IS the tool that is responsible for looking to the future, preventing crisis and solving existing issues. It's broken. The root problem is that simple.
Fix Congress so it can do it's job- and you fix a hundred issues or more all at once.

My organization knows how, and we are working on doing just that.

 

Better yet, give them all a box of annex pamphlets and tell them to spread the word among their brothers and sisters..

 

Is lobbying a significant part of Congress not doing it's job?
Is the media also a problem?

 

Really, U.S. grubmint care for Americans over foreigners, how horrible of you to even entertain that idea...

 

It's called zoning laws..

 

As I said, spouses and children aren't a problem and don't constitute open borders.

 

You are conflating legal immigration with illegal immigration. With legal immigration, the government chooses who get in, with illegals it is who get across and plants their foot on our soil. In California they have the same rights you do with a few exceptions - federal jobs, voting, and a couple others. It is illegal to discriminate against them because of immigration status, and it is illegal to turn them in.

 

We all share an America that was built for us by immigrants who needed only the opportunity that was denied to them elsewhere.

 

So then California has more of the hard-working immigrants and is cleaner and in the process
of being rebuilt while the rest of the US is lagging behind.

Soon the rest of the US will see the light and join in, as long as the experiment in California continues
to work out well.

 

Which is why I choose to live in a town with BETTER zoning laws. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Your opinion is noted.

We are a nation of immigrants.

 

Even in Wyoming We don't have high walls in front of homes.. Even on the prairie I can't say I've seen 6-8 foot fences surrounding a home(s)..

I guess if if it were some Mormon commune or freaky militant type maybe.. Other than that it be like an auto salvage yard, maybe..

 

I wouldn't expect there would be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

In our self-imposed two party system, you can hardly chalk up the voters on either side as being in total agreement with everything that goes on politically. This is just you picking an issue that YOU care about a lot and assuming everyone else's voting choices must be centered around it. You can be a Democrat and not care much about border issues just like you can be a Republican and not care much about gun issues.

When we only allow ourselves two possible parties to vote for, it's pretty hard to find a party that completely mirrors your views.