Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

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  1. The Ant

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    This was a civil trial. Not a criminal trial.

    Who was defrauded? List the victims.
     
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    It’s not the topic

    I can see you desperately don’t want to discuss the fraud of trump family and this massive 450 million dollar verdict
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another one of you that is unable to answer the question.

    We are 3 for 3 so far.

    I didn’t think asking if fraudulent financial reports was fraud would be such a difficult question but here we are

    Fascinating coming from the “party of law and order”
     
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    You literally compared Texas favorably to NY in this category . . . when NY brings in more tax revenue than Texas. You don't even know what it is you are complaining about.
     
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  6. Condor060

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    Again putting words in my mouth. I NEVER claimed anything about Texas.
    I provided NY media claims of why people were leaving NY in droves.
    You must be pretty desperate to continue making false claims like this.
    Can't argue on the facts so you just make up your own.
    Pretty typical for leftist
     
  7. Condor060

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    You mean the corrupt judge who decided Mar a lago is only worth 18 million
    Or
    The corrupt judge who refused Trump a jury trial
    Or
    The corrupt DA who brought a case of bank fraud, without a single bank claiming they were defrauded
    Or
    The election interference created by a corrupt judge and DA making claims of bank fraud against a presidential candidate without
    a single bank that will testify they were defrauded.

    Help yourself to which ever issue you would like to tackle
     
  8. yardmeat

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    You tried to make it about taxes. Hell, you didn't even remember talking about Texas . . . which . . . yes . . . you did. Please read your own posts.
     
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    Thank you yet again for showing you don't know what you’re debating….

    Have. Nice day
     
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    The entire ghread is about one loan.
     
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    Nope. wrong again.
    I claimed New Yorkers were leaving in Droves.
    I also claimed they are losing tax payers.

    YOU put words in my mouth about claiming I said NY has a negative tax base
    And when I questioned you on it, you couldn't provide anything I stated about a NY negative tax base
    (as per usual)

    Now YOU are putting words in my mouth about Texas. I never posted any of my thoughts on Texas.
    It was a claim made by NY about Texas in a media publication.

    Now either you can provide something I wrote about Texas, or you can retract your false claim.
     
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    You mean like exposing your post for its false information about tax assessors being defrauded by Trump property value claims?
    You're welcome
     
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    I'm sorry you don't remember posting about Texas, but that isn't my problem. Are there any other links that you would like to share that you will back out of the moment you are called out on or is it just the ones about Texas?
     
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    JFC, EDUCATE YOURSELF……

    This wasn't ONLY bout property valuations.

    My god man, you embarrasing yourself !!! He lied about his own financial state to get the loans!!!!!!

    These weren’t mortgages FFS!!!
     
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    Curiously DB did not find false information.
     
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    Our Broken Elections - Fund & Van Spakovsky

    Fraud - Eggers

    Rigged - Hemmingway

    The Deep Rig - Byrne

    Voter Fraud Manual - McGrath

    No proof - lots of evidence.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah, it was sarcasm i forgot to note who wrote the comment :)
     
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    The judge did NOT decide the worth of Mar-a-Lago - or any other other property. The tax appraisal amounts were cited to illustrate the impact of the conservation easement, in which Trump gave up residential and development rights - a fact which would significantly impact/reduce potential sales value too.

    Despite this, Trump valued the property as though there were no conservation easement - thus fraudulently presenting and (over)valuing it as a property that could be freely used and developed in any manner the buyer chose.
     
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    Curiously DB didn’t pick up on this.
     
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    Whether they did or didn't didn't, doesn't change the fact that Trump engage in fraudulent and deceptive business practices. That's what Exec Law 63 (12) is concerned with - perpetrators.
     
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    Curiously DB found no fraud or deception.
     
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    Which, as I have just explained, is not relevant. Exec Law 63(12) is concerned with perpetrators of dishonest and deceptive business practices, regardless and irrespective of whether or not anyone discovers them or complains.
     
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    Don't care — not the topic
    That you think a jury would have ruled differently is cute though — do you agree with the 90m verdict the last jury trump faced?
    What the bank says is irrelevant. Mortgage fraud is prosecuted by the state
    See above

    Do tell though, was the investigation into Hillary months prior to the election — election interference? Or is it only an issue when it’s against Cons?

    I’ll ask you the same question I have asked four of you now.

    Is lying on a loan application fraud? Yes or no

    Let’s see how many questions you dodge
     

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