The Myth of the Fatherless Black Child

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  1. mad1961

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    I can criticize who I want. Especially when you are criticizing an entire race of people based on only your perception and without including any of the factors that created this situation. I don't need to show you why I criticize Payne. You are intellectually lazy because you choose to only read OPINIONS from those who validated your point of view. I read studies about policy that Payne obviously has not. This ain't 1924, but you exist with the same attitude some whites had in 1924 while trying to tell somebody how race isn't a problem. You are the only one posting cliches and I will prove it all the time I'm here. America has not been colorblind, and A was constitutional. So just stop lying to yourself and read how racism continued on while you lived in a delusion of a colorblind nation.

    Boston University Public Interest Law Journal
    Volume 29, Issue 135
    Winter 2019
    BLACK REPARATIONS FOR TWENTIETH CENTURY FEDERAL HOUSING DISCRIMINATION:
    THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHITE WEALTH AND THE EFFECTS OF DENIED BLACK HOMEOWNERSHIP


    This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

    Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

    Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership, Part II discusses both the quantifiable and the less quantifiable effects of twentieth century federal housing discrimination. Mapping the impact of the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices to the black-white wealth gap, Part II argues that the black-white wealth gap may be attributable, at least in part, to twentieth century federal housing discrimination.

    In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today.

    Microsoft Word - Final Kim Article Final Edits 111919.JK Edits.docx (ssrn.com)

    Read this instead of Charles Payne.
     
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  2. Joe knows

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    I won’t deny this statement however economically, sociology plays a big roll here
     
  3. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like you need to educate yourself, but I will not hold my breath.
     
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    You ignore the increase in black social pathology since 1963. The better whites treat blacks the worse many of them behave.
     
  5. Conservative Democrat

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    So what? It cannot be said that most of his subjects were better off than people living in Europe or the Far East at the time. He almost certainly made much of his money by selling blacks to Arab slave traders.
     
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    You can cherry pick sources to get whatever you want on the internet. Great fun........eh?

    https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-b...ween 1970 and 2021, the,1980 to 24.7% in 2021.
     
  7. edna kawabata

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    I disagree with your timeline, but you think civil rights legislation was a mistake and you don't see yourself as a racist?

    My point was Black fathers are more involved with their children then right-wingers like to admit and the right likes to blame "fatherlessness" on the circumstances associated with the wider society, which is simplistic blaming the victim for crime and poverty.
    Out of wedlock births do not cause crime. If that were true the 69% of out of wedlock births in Iceland would have caused a crime wave, so it must be something else
    (copy and paste from Baby Daddy)
    Being unmarried with children does not turn children into criminals. The much repeated, correlation does not imply causation comes to mind. Statistically the poorer you are the more likely you will be an unmarried mother. That was true well before contraception and welfare. Statistically, again, the poorer you are the more likely you will be a victim or perpetrator of crime. So, so far, we have poverty driving crime. There is another issue with poverty, in that living in poverty is stressful. Living with a high degree of stress causes brain development changes in children due to high cortisol levels. Those changes can include learning disabilities, poor concentration, impulsiveness, poor emotional control, hypervigilance, low empathy, little foresight and more likely to have addictive behavior. Sound familiar? Not the best students in the world, more likely to drop out, get in trouble with the law, make babies and repeat the process.

    So what can be done about that besides laying blame?
     
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    I'll give you the first one, but you're wrong on the 2nd.
     
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    Thank you for clarifying your position -- and agenda. You're one of the 'soldiers' in an energetic radical cadre pushing the "reparations" initiative. That tells me everything I need to know... including why you idolize Shawn Rochester, who has computed the 'damages' done against Negroes in the United States at $70 Trillion dollars. Lots of luck with that! :lol:

    Hint: Slavery was abolished in the United States 159 years ago! :roll:
     
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    I am proud of my racism. :banana:

    A racist is one who is willing to publicly state unflattering facts about Negroes. :applause:

    There are Negroes who merit my respect. :angel:

    If they were typical there would be no racial problems.:hmm:
     
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    A good way to start would be to stop giving single mothers and their illegitimate children welfare checks.
     
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    Not all people are equal, but, in the United States, all citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! Never forget that, because since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, that is a fact!
     
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    Charles Murray acknowledges that too.
     
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    "Negro who merit my respect" = Black people who meet my standards of how to act and look and what music to like. In short black people who act like me.
     
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    I am taking this kind of seriously and I am seeing the opportunity for another controversial and rather interesting poll and discussion.......
    .... in a way I believe that this topic to at least some degree overlaps with this other question..... and poll.....

    Would a Basic Minimum Income of 777 dollars that is Unconditional but Taxable... as advocated by Economist Milton Friedman.... lead to more dads being able to live with their kids????

    Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?

    ?
    Will a Minimum Basic Income dramatically reduce the incidence of abortions?

    1. Perhaps by 1- 10 percent over the present rate.
      5 vote(s)
      55.6%

    2. Perhaps by 11 to twenty percent over the present rate.
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%

    3. Perhaps twenty one to thirty percent over the present rate.
      1 vote(s)
      11.1%
    4. *
      Perhaps by even more than by thirty percent?
      3 vote(s)
      33.3%
    Change Your Vote



    Would an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income lead to dads being with their kids?



    Would an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income lead to fathers living with children longer?
    Edit

    1. Yes... I would guess an extra five years for the firstborn.
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%

    2. Yes.. .I would guess an extra ten years for the firstborn.
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%
    3. *
      Yes... I would guess an extra fifteen years for the firstborn.
      1 vote(s)
      100.0%

    4. No
      0 vote(s)
      0.0%
    Change Your Vote
     
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    No to each of the previous two posts
     
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    and blacks who have no felony convictions and no illegitimate children on welfare. So I guess you're right about "people who act like me."
     
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    You know there are many white people who fall under that...but you didn't say a thing about them.
     
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    One way to avoid being shot by police is to not be deaf or suffering from hearing loss.
    If they shout instructions at you, and you don’t hear them and comply, then you are at risk of being shot to death.
     
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    My "racism" consists of evaluating blacks by the same criteria I use in evaluating whites. Thus I do not make excuses for lower average intelligence for blacks, and higher rates of crime and illegitimacy. I do not blame these on white racism, but on different evolutionary pressures lasting for thousands of years. Cold climates select genetically for intelligence and monogamy. Civilization selects genetically for intelligence and obedience to the law.
     
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    Also if you are suffering a mental health crisis, paranoia or delusional due to drugs or psych history and unable to follow police commands you may earn yourself a Darwin award.
     
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    Instead of focusing on race, edna, I would just lay those statistics aside and say to you "the record of "Fatherhood" in America, on a collective scale, is rather dismal. The children we do have (and are not aborted) are relegated to the TV sets, I phones and gang membership. This transcends all races. God help us!
     
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    People who get themselves into such a state of 'disability' that they will not comply with simple police commands need to be institutionalized -- and KEPT there until they can improve to a point where they are no longer a danger to society or to themselves.
     
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    Yeah I could care less what color you are, but your desire to use skin color as an excuse is fascinating.
     
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    The problem you have is not Wilson Vs Sowell, it is that every black 10 year old can tell you who Tupac is, but none of them would know anything about Wilson or Sowell.

    What are your thoughts on Kevin Samuels arguments?
     
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