Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

I haven't made up anything. Socialism has never worked anywhere in a free society. It only works when totalitarians force it on the society. Socialism and communism share two things in common. The first is that they exist only where there is a totalitarian government. The second is that they are the opposite of capitalism. Totalitarian governments implement socialism and then corrupt it to things like fascism and communism. Socialism is an economic system not a political one. Communism and fascism are corrupted forms of socialism. Government is a political system not an economic one. Sorry, that is the truth.

 

Look at what happened to Venezuela. The largest oil reserves in the world and the country is an economic basket case.

What they believe in far more insidious than you seem to imagine. They think they can mandate electric cars without the generating capacity to power them.

 

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AOC has done an excellent job of representing her district; she is very liberal but has never said anything that can be construed as anti-American. Wallace was voted OFF the Democrat Presidential ticket of 1948 over concerns that his foreign policy was extreme and not in syc with President Roosevelt's. So what's your point, that Democrats are not socialists; I agree.

Couldn't you find anything more out of date?

Progressive is your term, introduced two posts ago, not mine.

Bingo! My point exactly. AND, Democrats are not socialists they are all in on capitalism.

Nope, not a term I willing to let you smear Democrats with in the way you're attempting to.

I agree, that's been the point of my posts.

You are just rewording what I've already said.

And yet Comer Pyle hasn't been able to find any real evidence against President Biden. Whereas tRatior tRump has been indicted 91 times for crimes against The United States of America.

President Biden has restored dignity to the office of President of The United States at home and abroad, that tRaitor tRump made a laughing stock of.

It's been a long difficult task for President Biden to restore honor and respect to These United States after tRaitor tRump so damaged our reputation no one thought we could recover. But thanks to President Biden ... WE'RE BACK!!!!!!

 

A point that I have made several times in several threads.

 

There has never been a country in which the working class was liberated from exploitation.

There! You just proved you don't know what communist society is. IT IS STATELESS. So there is no government.

Yup. You know NOTHING about this. ZERO! If they are "opposite of capitalism" then why do you argue that socialism is a system in which the state owns businesses and the workers are still employees, working for the government and their managers??? That is just another form of capitalism! . . . -STATE capitalism! The workers are in the exact same position as they are in capitalism! "OPPOSITE OF CAPITALISM" would be workers in control over the capitalist class. duh

Germany did NOT begin with socialism/worker control under Hitler, and Italy did not begin with socialism under Mussolini. duh

Socialism is a socio-economic system. You can't have socialism without having a government to facilitate and protect it any more than you can have capitalism without such a government. So like capitalism, socialism is linked to a government that is a socialist government.

You sure make it up as you need!

 

huh?

 

Can you prove that?

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Well, you're right. The Democrats have assaulted the rule of law when they refuse to subject Trump to the same law and the same processes of law as any ordinary person would be subjected. If you or I did some of the things Trump did the Democrats would have us in prison by now. But how is Biden an enemy of individual freedom and democracy and our democratic institutions and norms, and the Constitution? I think you're making that up.

 

Yes.

That's easy--the can't name one because there has never been one.

 

If naked capitalism is so successful how come twenty million Americans lack proper healthcare due to lack of insurance?
The problem here is that none of you know what ‘socialism’ means, or can’t agree on the meaning.
Let me try to frame it slightly differently, are Americas armed forces a capitalist profit making organisation?

 

Can you name some one who knows everything see everything and has the power to make his judgements in these things stand fast no matter what?

 

How does that contradict anything I said. Neither New York city nor the other two places mentioned appear on the chart.

 

Government of, by, and for the People results in progress, not stasis.

Meanwhile, in 2022, corporations in the U.S. made profits of around 3.5 trillion U.S. dollars. This indicates significant growth since 2000, when corporate profits totaled 786 billion U.S. dollars.

Why begrudge the economic security of Americans while capitalism thrives?

 

You're wayyyy off base. Socialism is collectivizing production. You're confusing it with government spending.

They're always big on government spending and many of them, like you, think that means "socialism."

Families are socialist, too?

Progressive =/= socialist (or communist).

Government programs are increasingly supported, but that's because so many workers can't earn enough working to food, clothing, shelter and healthcare.

Social welfare programs in this country aren't "massive." We don't even have universal healthcare.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending

The program is only socialist if government itself provides the service. Public schools? Socialist. Medical care? With the exception of some government-run hospitals like the VA and public health, no.

What you want is to cut your taxes. Of course, if you're a lower- or middle-income MAGA type, you actually reduce your standard-of-living by slashing social welfare spending. This is how it looks to a lot of people...

 

Nope, they are regimented, dictatorial organizations for the protection of capitalist policies.

 

Yep. Sorry.

 

An invented definition of exploitation I assume. There is a difference between people who live in a free society and people who do not. If you don't understand the difference then I can't help.

That is your private definition of communism. I reject it and stay with what communism is in practice historically.

There is no such thing as state capitalism. If the state operates the businesses, that is socialism or, if you prefer, communism. Another invention.

Yes but that is what they got with Hitler. Italy started with alliances between nation states after the fall of the Roman empire. Mussolini was a fascist style socialist.

Every instance of socialism has had a government to facilitate and protect it. In every instance it was an authoritarian government.

You sure accuse me of what you do yourself.

 

Keep making it. It is important that people know that.

 

How are they paid for?
I suspect out of taxpayers contributions.
Socialism writ large.

 

What do you believe to be the difference between capitalism and state capitalism?

 

Especially this election cycle with tRaitor tRump's dictator theoretic and the goals of the Heritiage project 2025.

 

Don't assume. FIND OUT!

Exploitation:
the act of using someone or something unfairly for your own advantage (Cambridge Dictionary)

a situation in which somebody treats somebody else in an unfair way, especially in order to make money from their work. (Oxford Dictionary)

use or utilization, esp. for profit (Collins Dictionary)

You're still confusing the communist movement (policies, ideology, strategies) with communist society. As such, readers cannot trust what you say on the matter because you confuse them.

Communism:
In theory, a communist society has no government and the means of production are owned by the people. (Oxford Dictionary)

A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (Wikipedia)

One way Marx distinguished his type of communism from all the other socialist theories and party platforms around during his lifetime was by advocating a specific and prominent role for the state. He imagined government playing a key part in the transformation of society from capitalism to socialism, and then lastly into pure communism, which was to be a stateless, classless society. (Philosophy Now)

Marx predicted that capitalism would inevitably collapse; and in “The Communist Manifesto,” he exhorted the workers of the world to unite and seize political power, then forge a stateless, classless society (NY Times)

Oh, it does exist!

State Capitalism:
"State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity and where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, centralized management and wage labor). The definition can also include the state dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized using business-management practices) or of public companies (such as publicly listed corporations) in which the state has controlling shares.[1]

A state-capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts as a single huge corporation, extracting surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production."
(Wikipedia)

"an economic system in which private capitalism is modified by a varying degree of government ownership and control" (Mirriam-Webster)

"a form of capitalism in which the government controls some property, resources, money, etc." (Cambridge Dictionary)

"This handbook presents the latest theoretical and applied thinking on state capitalism, i.e., the institutional, policy, and ownership arrangements that reflect the direct influence of the state on the economy and firm behavior." (Oxford Academic)

"An economic system in which the State controls or owns for profit enterprises such as utilities (e.g., water and electricity) and transportation (e.g., buses and trains) or actively supports capitalist interests through market controls." (Open Education Sociology Dictionary)

As I said, AT NO TIME did Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy have worker control of the economy. If you still disagree then prove it with a link.

Then we agree that socialism is a socio-economic system.

 

Socialism has ALWAYS been known as a socio-economic system that would liberate the working class from capitalism by reversing the relations of production in which capitalists hire and exploit workers for private profit. As long as the relations of production (employers and employees) remain as such, it is not socialism.