Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Serious question:

    Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States, and what factors are responsible for this?

    I know there isn't a simple answer to this question but I am genuinely interested to hear your takes on this, regardless if you are a Righty, Lefty or Centrist.

    Just so we're clear on what I mean by socialism, I am referring to it in the broad sense of the term, which would include, amongst others, the socialism that exercises direct control over a country and its economy through nationalization/collectivization ("traditional" socialism and communism) and the socialism that exercises indirect control through government mandates and regulations (essentially fascism, including the stakeholder fascism with its ESG program/index that has become fashionable in some rather lofty circles on the Left these days and embraced by the likes of current U.S. President Joe Biden, WEF Founder & Chairman Klaus Schwab and BlackRock Chairman & CEO Larry Fink).

    Obviously, socialism remains widely unpopular on the Right and was more widely rejected by Americans in the past, but with the rise of the welfare state beginning in the 1930s and its massive expansion during the 1960s it has become more popular. It was also beginning in the 1960s that the socialist-communist New Left began asserting itself in LW politics and the Democratic Party, which are now led by the "progressives" (socialists) who have become even more powerful over the past two decades and are now dictating the Democratic Party's increasingly Far Left agenda.

    To get the discussion/debate started, on the macro "big picture" level I see the increasing popularity of socialism in America as the natural and logical product of the evolutionary process of the Left in this country, and were it not for the Cold War that retarded this process it probably would have happened decades earlier (see FDR's Vice President Henry Wallace and the Progressive Party that split from the Democratic Party in the late 1940s). The individual "micro" factors that have contributed to this I will discuss later.

    Anyway, I'm going to yield the floor, so to speak, and as I mentioned earlier I am genuinely interested in hearing what others think. Obviously, there is no single or right answer - different people are going to have different perspectives and views on this.

    Thanks to anyone and everyone who offers their feedback.
     
  2. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it is because sense of entitlement keeps getting higher and sense of responsibility and merit keeps going lower. These people want the free ride on OTHERS' money

    DISGUSTING!!!!!!!! tell these marxist scumbags to earn it themselves!
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’d say because people are tired of the inflation making basic things more expensive than necessary and there’s bits and pieces of capitalism that they hate.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, would you attribute this, as I do, to the abandonment of the Individualism that this country was founded on and made America great?
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks.

    I'm not sure how socialism would solve inflation, but I'd be interested to hear you expand on your comment about the "bits and pieces of capitalism that they hate" and attract them to socialism, if you like.
     
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    People want a return on their investment...their taxes. They want to see that they are getting bang for their buck. They want to see roads and bridges safe. They want to know that their drinking water is safe to drink.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.
    Individualism used to be shoved into education and I don't feel it is anymore. Now you even students not having to pay back their loans. Its a small piece of the COMMIE puzzle that the left wants to turn this country into.
     
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    Fine by me, I’m happy if I never have to see a student loan payment ever again and I can promise you most people would be.
     
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    They hate how everyone is hiking up prices for literally everything so it’s no longer an inconvenience but just flat out hindering.
     
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    The answer is very simple. Kids are taught to support the spread of socialism from K though graduate school. There are no “Problems with Socialism” courses offered.
     
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    I hear you. I feel the same way about my mortgage. Its such a pain to have to pay off loans! I hope a list circulates of the people that free-loaded so they can be working at Wendy's where they belong. I only respect the people like myself that worked 2 jobs to pay for an education without borrowing it. SAD! people should pay their OWN debts. What do you think this is, NATO?
     
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    Let me start by stating that it’s not a flex to say you worked 2 jobs to pay for education, in fact it’s fcking shameful that that’s actually a thing. Then I’ll add that not one person on this planet would happily pay loans or debts, especially when times are already harder as it is. Furthermore, paying for education, especially if you’re working a job back then was relatively easy compared to now, so this old boomer advice is completely useless.
     
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    Higher education has become excessively expensive because the government has given the colleges a blank check. They have no incentive to keep their tuitions down. The system is completed by student loan forgiveness.
     
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    That is 100% BS!

    Schools were overpriced when I went to college as well. You know how you can cut that price in half? By commuting there instead of dorming there. You want hard working people to pay for irresponsible losers that chose PARTY NOW/PAY LATER over being RESPONSIBLE?

    as I said. SAD!!!!
     
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    Saying that a person should pay the debt they have accumulated is "boomer" advice?

    Why were the "boomer" jobs easier than current jobs in your mind?

    I think that you are inadvertently the perfect case study regarding the question in this thread. Help us to understand your thinking.
     
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    Because the immigrants that are repopulating this country are coming from socialist countries. It's pretty simple. They often are just too ignorant to realize they are supporting policies HERE that made them flee THERE.
     
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    You could also go to a state school where the truitions are lower. That what I did for both of my degrees, a BS from the University of Delaware, which was my home state, and an MBA from Rutgers which was my home state at the time.

    Kids today seem to have these "dream schools" that usually cost a fortune.
     
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    I think we all do, but are the things you are talking about socialism or they the "voluntary cooperation" (for lack of a better term) where we as individuals delegate tasks to government because we as individuals don't have the time, skills, means, interest, etc., to do them ourselves?
     
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    I think our educational system is a factor, too. Once could probably lump the media in for the most part, too.
     
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    Mainly because we currently do a piss poor job of educating kids. And that too is by design.
     
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    A sentiment shared by common thieves.
     
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    As our people get fatter and sicker, they are becoming more dependent on government. When I went to school, there was always one fat kid. Now, most are fat! Most of our young people are not even fit to serve in the military.
     
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    The power of propaganda.
     
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    Why? Because it allows the unmotivated and less talented to thrive in a system that doesn't reward excellence or hard work. And none of them think they'll have to do they dirty jobs to keep the system going. They ALL want the the easy jobs, hehe. Sense a pattern=)

    AND they simply don't know history and how its failed EVERY TIME. Don't people understand that none of the EU countries with a vast social services net could function if they didn't rely on US protecting them? EU and American Leftists are so afraid of Russia pushing through EU if WE don't stop them. Uuuum, why does EU need us to stop Russia? Why can't EU collectively stop 1 country? Should be easy right? Maybe its because they purposely ignored the means to STOP them. But its our fault they're all sitting ducks...supposedly=)
     

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