USAF general: China military buildup 'incredibly disturbing'...

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    Almost every psych survey shows different thinking patterns related to culture. Everything from internal/external attribution, perception of government, others, and so forth; it's not something that one is likely born with, though.

    Another blanket statement? C'mon, Al.
     
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    Sure, but Chinese culture is not static.

    And as China matures economically it will become much more like us on issues of personal freedom and individual expression.
     
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    Sure, but Chinese culture is not static.

    And as China matures economically it will become much more like us on issues of personal freedom and individual expression.
     
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    It's not, but it has core values that are strikingly different to the US.

    It's unlikely that it will; there is no line where governments go from one to the next.
     
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    I've spent thirty years under Chinese domination. :) Haha.
     
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    Han culture has a number of compelling characteristics that seem to be unchanging. Those characteristics are the source of China's strength.
     
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    $140 a month is minimum wage?

    Like I said, our junior enlisted make more in a month than Chinese soldiers do in a year.
     
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    About 2/3 of the worlds expenditure on military and defense is due to the USA

    The USA has over 1000 military bases and installations in over 140 puppet countries

    Even if the rest of the rold combined ALL of their military forces and assests they would not match the USA


    Another distraction by the US Corpocracy

    Another blank cheque to the US military industrial complex

    Even NASA only gets funding for projects that have DUAL purpose (thanks to Bush). NASA can only fund projects that have a military AND a scientific purpose

    And you're worried about China

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wrong. China will oppose the US militarily at a time and a place of their choosing. And it will not end well for us.
     
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    Has it been tested? Has it been proven to evade U.S./NATO radars? All it is is a prototype aircraft thats been dubbed a stealth aircraft. U.S. stealth bombers have been proven in combat.
     
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    How can China dictate the place? They have no power proejection capabilties. They're a beach whale outside their regional sphere.
     
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    There are ways to substantially weaken China, but they are risky and require boldness. If Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam become nuclear weapons states Chinese military power will be hamstrung. Further cooperation with India would have the same result.
     
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    People forget who China's neighbors are. The Chinese aren't on good terms with India or Russia. The Chinese are much more concerned with these countries than they are with the U.S.
     
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    IB,

    I'm on your side. But the existence of the J-20 complicates American defense planning. Ten years from now it will probably be operational in large numbers.
     
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    You have any evidence to back this up? China has no land border with us. In order to attack us they would have to use naval and air power. Our Air Force and Navy will remain superior to China's for decades to come.
     
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    Heck we gave China their Tech, well Clintong did,,,and bush...and....well never mind.

    Iran is building lauch bases in Venezuela. It seems we are being set up again.

    The people running our government would rather take on grandma at the airports, than to pay attention to real threats which are created by those who say they are us.
     
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    Yet it may be completely ineffective versus actual US stealth aircraft.
     
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    I don't know about Russia, but I agree with the rest of your post. Russia is a wild card in some ways.
     
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    What bothers me is that the F-22 is in limited production. Less than 200 copies. That means the Raptor probably won't have the numbers to make a difference.

    The F-35 is a single engine aircraft with a smaller payload than the F-22. In contrast the J-20 has two engines and a bigger payload.
     
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    Maybe. We won't know for sure until first hostile contact.
     
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    Nothing can be done about foreign threats until the struggle between the American left and the American right is resolved.
     
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    The Chinese are well known within the defense industry for exaggerating and flat out lying about their weapons capabilties. Consider the stealth aircraft. They throw together a design and let it get "leaked" on the internet. All of a sudden the western media is in an uproar and people are convinced China has something comparable to the F-22. This helps the Chinese PR campaign immeasurably. The U.S. military of course isn't going to flat out say its all bs......because I'm sure the Chinese really are trying to research/design this AND a General lobbying for the F-35 isn't going to underplay the capabilties of a potential adversary. In reality I think both the Chinese and U.S. military know the Chinese airforce is at least 20 years from fielding anything comparable to the F-22. That said, the Chinese are making gains and closing the gap so its something to keep an eye on, but nothing to get hysterical about.
     
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    I think we'll find out long before that. Our technical intelligence is very good.
     
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    OK, but the world is shrinking and in the end the the Chinese dictators will be at the mercy of their own economic policy success.
     
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    When you have a 100-1 kill ratio, only having 200 of an airframe is okay. 4 squadrons would be enough to annihilate the entire Chinese fighter force.

    As for a bigger payload, the designs are very different. The bombbays on the F-22 are only designed to fit a handful of ordinance types (all AAM's, the JDAM, the SDB, and the JSOW). It may be able to carry more of them, but that's not a very wide range of ordinance. The F-35 on the other hand is actually designed to carry all bombs in the US arsenal that can hang from a fighter-bomber.

    Edit: on further research, the F-22 can't carry the JSOW. The diameter is too big for the bombbay.
     

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