date rape is a fake crime....

And now there I was thinking that I was a Scottish Nationalist, voting for Independence, but with no defined political affiliation to any part of the political spectrum...which leaves me free to like what I like and dislike what I dislike and not have to worry about anything but my principles.

I gave up reading feminist literature when women got equal rights in the UK. Just a shame that feminists didn't then decide that they had better things to do in life than continue forcing issues which weren't issues untl they started forcing them.

I don't think Dominique Strauss-Kahn would look on press coverage in the US as sympathetic. Perhaps we have different definitions of the word, given we are two countries divided by a common language!

Frankly I didn't think your comment warranted anything more than my response. Why would I waste my time and energy rebutting the blatantly irrational.

But in the end, that is where the problem lies re attitudes...it has bugger all to do with the numbers of men doing something...it has to do with the numbers of people doing something.

Personally, I don't give a toss if you are talking about a female grooming my grand-daughter, a male grooming my grandson or a male grooming my grand-daughter...the effects on the child, particularly a younger child, are not that different.....so the sentencing should be the same. When it comes to child abuse, there is no room for gender differentiation of the victim or the abuser.

 

seems some women really don't want equality, really don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

No... if you believe you have no affiliation and are somehow independent of the frey, then you are by default a conservative ( and American-style, even).

But that's a different thread.

If you believe that, then women DON'T enjoy equal rights in the UK: with your blame-women-first backlash rhetoric, social equality seems as elusive as economic equality is here also.

And yes... these inequalities and injustices have existed since before women became organized to fight back.

Then you haven't seen the tabloids here and in France, where he's being lauded as a hero.

these are empty accusations without evidence or argument.

Except for one thing: which sex does the MOST abusing?

 

Nope.......I'm not by default anything.

I have never said I was independent of the frey.if I were, I wouldn't be posting on forums.

I do not, however have any specific affiliation. I have never voted in an election here on policies.because no one party has enough policies I like to make me want to vote for them, but, instead of not voting, which I think is a dereliction of duty, I am lucky enough to be able to vote for a principle, as I have done all my life. I certainly veer to the right or left on some subjects, and stick around the middle of the UK political spectrum on as many more.

I do not, however, subscribe to the making of law on the basis that unrepresentative single interest pressure groups shout loudest...and I would cut my throat if I had to vote in the USA where law is made according to the single interest pressure group which can pay the most.

In the UK we have had equal rights by law since 1975. Anything achieved since has simply served to make us more equal than men..and in instances like the level of maternity leave we get now, it is more than likely damaging women's career prospects than helping them. And in the case of family law, women have much more rights than men..as they also appear to do regarding health care.

I work on the principle that fairness and equity should be applicable to both, and not favour one over the other. The problem appears to be that there is a belief among feminists that attitudes can be changed by legislation...whereas, in many cases, if the legislation is perceived to be unfair, it hardens attitudes rather than soften them.

The fact that women are, according to some of us (and that some is getting fewer), still not being treated equally sounds like the whine of the individual who can't be bothered fighting her rights through the courts but expects the government to hand her everything on a plate. We have the laws to force equality...if women bother to use it.

I am blaming feminists because they are getting us to the stage where we will have swapped the patriarchy of the past with what horrifically looks like a matriarchy in the future....when what we early feminists expected was a partnership and equality.

But funnily enough, women in the UK want to hold on like grim death to one aspect of the inequalities they have borne so stoically for years......the fact that they could retire on a state pension five years earlier than men. You should hear the whinefest!

Too little too late....the opinion of him is fixed as a serial shagger!

As was Men wield more power in society, and can and do bring force more to bear when coercing the underage. in response to my "Just in case" appears to mean that women who have underage sex with boys get less punishment than men who commit the same acts with underage girls.

Your response was little different to "all men are rapists all women are victims".

And yet again you are going the all men are rapists and all women are victims route. It has nothing to do with the numbers abusing.......my point in both this and my last response was that all abusers accused of the same things in the same circumstances should be sentenced equally. No get out of jail free clause just because abusers are women.

And as you still have not worked out the quote system, this is definitely my last post in response to any of yours.

 

Wyzaard: "Except for one thing: which sex does the MOST abusing?"

Now, that's a fascinating question. Are we talking about physical abuse or the whole range of "abuse" we have now? If we include psychological abuse and verbal abuse I think women would clearly get the nod.

If a woman tells all of her friends and her husband's friends of his inabilities to perform in bed, is that abusive? If a woman complains endlessly about her husband's inability to make as much money as she wants to spend, is that abusive? if a woman constantly tells her husband he's a failure, is that abusive? I'm sure it's not. It's totally justified. But, if a man does the husband equivalent of these things it's not only abusive it's a criminal offense.

My personal favorite is the horrible abuse of "failing to be adequately supportive." Of course, this too is only a male behavior.

In our jurisdiction the District Attorney's office said that a man telling his wife that he was leaving and wouldn't support her or the kids constituted domestic violence and he would be arrested and prosecuted. I asked if the woman said she was leaving, taking the kids, and he'd never see his children again, would she be arrested. The answer was, not surprisingly, of course not. That was permissable.

Research has shown that women initiate physical violence in domestic disputes as ofter as men do.

The men, being bigger and stronger, do cause more damage.

So, are you only counting physical abuse or are you also including the other myriad types of abuse?

 

Not comparable to the crime of rape that men commit against women.

Not comparable to the crime of rape that men commit against women.

Not comparable to the crime of rape that men commit against women.

Not comparable to the crime of rape that men commit against women.

Not comparable to the crime of rape that men commit against women.

Link please.

That would be "violence" you mean.

This thread is about rape. Your axe against women is some irony on a thread about rape.

 

Kate had a disability, sounds like an intellectual disability from her responses, but could be physical disability as well. Sounds like she could have been confused / distressed / not up to the mental challenge because of her disability to know / understand the difference between being married and having a boyfriend. He told her being her boyfriend made it all right. But overriding everything, she said no to him.

Peer pressure aside, it would have to come down to / I wish it would come down to having a decent character / and knowing right from wrong. I’m not sure what you mean about him being a victim of circumstance. Could you say more? Are you giving the scenario at the end of your post about what if he didn’t rape her – meaning what if she made it up??

 

no, this thread is about whores who regret their personal choices.

 

Thanks for the rep, Gwen.

Oops, I read every word at face value, so I didn't detect a disability from her response. What I was thinking about was that her PARENTS abused her to the point where she can't handle the normal emotional ups and downs that both girls and boys must learn to master when first contact with the opposite sex. A child who was not allowed to play in mixed groups throughout childhood, will "look" disabled as a result, initially. This does not excuse him if he figured that she was "different", or if that was obvious to the other dancers. Otherwise I don't understand how a single misguided bad touch by her age mate, who didn't cause physical harm, would be called a crime.

No, as a result of reading the story at face value, I don't assume a "what if" scenario. When teenagers act in sexually initiative way, they do this not out of their own ideas but buy what they hear elsewhere everywhere. They are exposed to the adult world which is always sexually overcharged.

But to give a more accurate answer about the circumstance question, I must say that I can associate with Kate, I myself behaved almost the same way as she did when I was a 5th grader and my sister's friends from the 8th and 9th grade decided to play a new game with me. Every time we played the new game, I felt perplexed, weird, and clueless, only I never went to my parents to tell, because "you are not supposed to rat on your friends". Then after a while these feelings went away, and I grew up to be a "normal(?)" guy. I would never call that game a rape because not only did it not harm me, but also made me stronger (mentally/emotionally) and more understanding about women.

I think that the character of Kate in the story is a slightly exaggerated female version of what I was when I was a 5th grader and I am the living proof that it is not harmful. Okay, maybe harmful in that thinking back now as an adult I think I was stupid that I didn't figure it back then, and I hate feeling stupid. I've never blamed my sister's friends and I always knew that it was all about how the (powerful) adults do things, and as children we wanted to be powerful too, I believe that this is the circumstance that applies to Kate's story.

How would you build up Kate, so that she can get what she wants (a boyfriend) as well as enjoy him?

 

Sorry, Gwendoline, I was responding to Wyzaard's comment. If you don't like it, too bad. No, none of those are comparable to the crime of rape unless a woman is complaining. And having sex when you're drunk and deciding later you wish you hadn't also isn't comparable to the crime of rape. Well, except it is, isn't it? Oh, and you can do your own research.

 

No it isn't, squidward.

It is a thread about women who change their mind in the morning after not having objected the night before.

That does not make them whores, any more than it makes the drunk male partner a rapist....it simply makes them a pair of silly people who have the inability/are unwilling to control their drinking in the unfortunate current circumstance that it is the woman who has the upper hand, in as much as the law allows her to change her mind after the event for any reason she chooses..because she has to be saved from herself....while he has to take the consequences of that saving.

 

Is there some new definition of whore that I am unaware of ?

Such big girls. So grown up. Go where they please. Go when they please.
Answer to nobody. Can't seem to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Shame really, and just when I beginning to accept their equality with men.
Come to find, they really don't want to be equal after all.

 

Gimme about 5 hours and ill be dateraping (according to domes definition of the term) my current....

 

Your attitude simply illustrates the reason many women have a bad opinion of men. Date Rape is not a subject about which to joke.

Does your brain never stop twitching in your trousers?

 

The cost of the drinks I buy are an investment... nobody's forcing a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to drink it

 

Whats funny is whenever I hear about a false rape accusation the woman claims she was "drunk" or "she was in a relationship got pissed off at her bf, and didnt want her bf to think she was a slut"

 

Hmm, so somehow a drunk girl doesn't have the legal ability to consent to sex, but does have a legal ability to consent to drive.

Also, not talking about unconscious (different matter), but merely drunk.

Consent is consent. If they can legally be held responsible for the decision to drive drunk, they should be legally responsible for the decision to have sex drunk. (again, unconscious is a different matter)

 

Then a man can't consent while drunk, and shouldn't be held responsible.

Right now, there is an assumption that drunk girls are helpless (unless driving, then it was their choice), and that drunk men aren't helpless. Denigrates women, IMHO.

 

So that means that a drunk woman who has sex with a drunk man is raping him too.

 

I'm not saying women don't have buyers remorse sometimes,but;

The dynamics of claiming a man was raped by a woman bc he was drunk is less believable for two obvious reasons. A man is stronger, and men usually don't feel pressured or helpless when it comes to sex. Yes equal rights blah blah blah, but our anatomy and our strength are not equal.

 

Women are deferred to mainly because of basic plumbing. Only g guy can initiate the actual sex act (putting penis in vagina or sodomizing, or getting a 'monica') without consent from the female (that last bit could be a bit tricky) but you get the point. Reading the posts here, I am amazed that this basic fact seems to go unrecognized. We males are in constant danger of being 'raped' in court by women who once said 'yes' but claim to have been thinking 'no.'

To all the guys out there...be VERY CAREFUL...Maybe buy a portable sobriety checking machine she can blow first. Get a certified read out of her blood-alcohol level. These days a guy needs more than must a 'swim suit' before taking the 'plunge.'

 

As a woman who thinks that women get a level of protection from themselves which is downright insulting....I'd advise you carry a contract in your pocket alongside your condoms......and get it signed when it looks as if you re on a promise. Any handwriting expert should be able to ascertain the level of inebriation from her signature.

Can't say I've ever known a man capable of performing the act when well under the influence anyway!

 

Better yet, don't sleep with people you barely know. I know, that's an old fashioned evil concept

 

Not sure what you mean....

I'm trying to picture that.........NOPE: I think having a woman blow a sobriety checking machine is much funnier...And just a preposterous...

Some men find it harder being under the influence while some find it less hard....

 

Wouldn't you find it insulting if the law stated that you were not capable of taking personal responsibility for your actions because you were drunk...without even saying how drunk is drunk short of drunk and incapable/comatose? What is drunk and incapable anyway?

I have never in my life, even when at the stage of inebriation of being carried home and crawling up the stairs to my bed, ever been incapable of knowing what I was doing.or incapable of fighting back, however feebly....and I have never wakened in the morning and not remembered, often to my embarrassment, what I did the night before....but I have never been tempted to blame anyone else for my actions, however stupid, not because in the 1960's that option was not available to us....but because what I do is down to me...and it is up to me to police myself.
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Drinking is a choice, getting smashed is a choice, going home with a stranger,or a friend, is a choice and imo the only time it stops being a choice is if you have said no and been obviously raped...or arrive home collapse into stupor/sleep and the bloke helps himself.

That's what I mean