Does "Israel" have the right to exist ?

The facts are posted everywhere, such as wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_palestine_conflict

You are acting like a neo-Nazi who would rather believe a myth than to look up a simply found fact.

 

??? No ethnic cleansing needed. It is the current populaton statistics.

 

According to wiki, 59% of the hated Semites murdered by Israel are civilians. Why does Israel endlessly justify the murder of hated Semites instead of recognizing the nation of Palestine?

 

They aren't murdering anyone, they are fighting back against those who attack them. You don't want Israel to fire back don't fire at them in the first place.

 

You forgot to include the 1.5 million Arabs who are Israeli citizens.

 

Sorry. This doesn't independently verify what B'Tselem claims. You can't just post a page of information and pretend it supports something you non specifically claim. This hardly makes me a neo-Nazi, just smart. And you? Well....

 

Your argument applies to the 41% of the hated Semites killed by Israel. The 59% murdered were innocent civilians killed simply because Israel rejects the nation of Palestine

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

It's all listed in the facts. Unfortunately, many Zionists seem to hate facts like how Neo-Nazis do the same.

 

Wiki is not an acceptable source for what is factual or not.

 

According to a 2001 study by the International Committee of the Red Cross, the civilian to soldier death ratio in wars fought since the mid-20th century has been 10:1, meaning ten civilian deaths for every soldier death.[8] Throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, the number of civilian casualties as a proportion of total casualties has been rising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties#Civilian_casualty_ratio

Even based on your statistics Israel is 4 times better than average. Of course your statistics is absurd, a hamas terrorist without uniform is still a hamas terrorist, whether he is counted as such by all those self-proclaimed 'human rights organizations' is not clear at all.

 

The facts listed are from B'tselem and Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Are you a hater of Israel now suddenly?

 

Since when is Israel Iraq?

Your link:

Sabrina Tavernise and Andrew W. Lehren, A Grim Portrait of Civilian Deaths in Iraq, New York Times 22-10-2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties#cite_note-7

 

Wait...You listed an entire page crammed with statistics. Which are the ones specifically from B'tselem? And who vouches for their accuracy?
And which facts or claims specifically are from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Are you purposely blurring things to fit an agenda?

 

There is a section titled "Fatalities 1948-present". Forgive me for thinking that you were intelligent enough to figure that out on your own.

 

Israel is not Iraq. The civilian arab death ratio in Arab Israeli wars is four times better than average, despite more difficult conditions of urban warfare in which Israel has to operate. IDF is the most moral army indeed according to the statistics.

 

Irrelevant. 59% of the hated Semites murdered by Israel were killed since Israel rejects the nation of Palestine.

 

When were the other 41% murdered?

 

the ratio, undoubtedly exaggerated is still at least 4 times better than the industry standard, better than the ratio in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia...Kudos to the IDF for doing their utmost to preserve the innocent arab life.

 

Why? Because Israelis created them. I never did believe that your position was Israel-friendly.

 

Ooooh...aren't you just the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)iest!

Yeah, I did figure out the Fatalities section was indeed the Fatalities section.
Thanks. Are you intelligent enough to specify what it is you want people to focus on when you present an entire page of data? Apparently not.

The very fist sentence of the sections says " A variety of studies provide differing casualty data for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict," so whose figures do we take as fact? You don't seem to know though it's certain you want to portray Israel in the worst possible light.
Even having said this however, in a population trying to kill as many Israelis
as possible (through missiles and suicide attacks, etc.) it shows the tremendous restraint of the IDF in dealing with terrorists that blend seamlessly with the average Palestinian.

 

The Jewish state can exist if it can defend itself against all comers. The same thing is true for all peoples with states of their own.

 

Some Zionists do try to invent their own figures, but they somehow never made it to the wiki page. I wonder why? Maybe because, as Borat pointed out, the facts were actually about Iraq. Honesty and Zionism often seems to conflict. What remains is the fact that Israel is murdering hated Semites since it rejects the nation of Palestine.

 

Because they consider Hamas terrorists without uniform to be civilians. But even if we take their statistics at face value the civilian to combatant ratio is 4 times better than the average, better than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, anywhere else ever on the planet.

 

Because Wiki pages are self edited, I guess.

I think it rejects the notion of Hamas trying to exterminate it. Israel has made so many overtures to the Palestinians to live side by side. After awhile you just get sick of another kid with dynamite strapped to his body blowing up your friends and family members and begin to deal with Palestinians as security threats.
"Israel gave Gaza self-rule in 1994, unilaterally withdrawing the last of its citizens and soldiers from Gaza in 2005. Hamas, voted into power via free elections in 2006, fought and defeated their political and military rival, Fatah, to seize de facto control of Gaza in 2007. In the past eight years, Hamas has fired more than 10,000 rockets and mortars into Israel — 7,000 of them after Israel's 2005 withdrawal. With improved technology — reportedly assisted by Iran — Hamas' rockets can now fly 24 miles before impact and explosion, thereby threatening, injuring and killing more and more Israelis living in southern Israel."