Obama Cuts Could Make Air Force Smallest Ever And Make Navy Smallest Since 1915

These new ships will be an incredibly effective weapon and serve as a great deterrent in hot areas around the world, and due to the range of their weapons they will be able to hold down targets not even near the ocean.

 

Which cruise missiles can already do.

 

No they aren't. They are AGS's. Railguns don't have carbon come out of their muzzles when they fire.

 

We can pull the Iowa out of mothballs really easy. When you have an entrenched enemy on the beach, and that is still a reality, you want 16in shells coming in on them. Not only do they create a massive effect of damage, but the psychologically effect too. The weapons that we have today are more focused on person attack rather then psychologically effect on the enemy. When you can get an enemy to say: “screw it, we’re doing this” because of psychologically effect, you have saved US military personnel by not having to put them as dangers of a situation.

And the Marines don’t come up on sore my helos, that is usually more specially troops, the rest of the groups comes in on LCACs and something else that I can’t recall the name but looks like an APC.

 

This is very true about the force mulitpliers. Look at Korea. There is only 20K combat troops in theater; with another 10K in support. The Airforce is the mulipilers.

 

cruise missiles can be shot down, and the ships they are on can be tracked.

These ships are nearly impossible to track for an advanced military, and completely impossible to track for a third world country. And it is physically impossible to shoot down a shell...
These things will be armed with more than 2 dozen cruise missiles anyways, but the Railguns will be their main armament.

 

In today’s world of conflict, things happen to fast, to quick. There is two reason why we have military forces over the world is 1) Quick response to a problem were they are need. 2) It protects US forces from being whipped out. If you have all of your eggs in one basket and you droop your basket, what is going to happen to you eggs? Today, nuclear weapons are much more easy to carry and plant someplace. Blow it up at a major Command……..

 

Wrong, the real reason why we don't have battleships anymore is becouse of naval airpower.

 

And that is the same type of thinking that happend after WW1. What happend 20 years latter?

 

No we can't. They are no longer seaworthy. They saw far more use and wear than any other battleships in the arsenal. The only battleship in decent condition that could be brought back into action as the North Carolina, and that would require billions in overhaul work.

I'd rather have Mavericks, cluster bombs, and maybe a couple JDAMs.

You also save them by wiping out their positions with percision guided munitions from cruise missiles and aircraft.

LCACs and AAVs aren't used to seize beaches anymore. We still have them, but Marine doctrine no longer expects to seize a defended beach.

 

Right. Naval aircraft carrying ASMs made them obsolete.

 

The next generation of cruise missiles will be stealth. Rail gun shots are anything but. In order to track a cruise missiles back to its source, you have to have a lock on it for the its entire flight path.

A railgun slug can be tracked back to its source by nothing more than fire-finder radar used by every country in the world.

 

Our troops in Korea are Operation Speedbump. They won't survive a war with North Korea. The entirety of 2ID sits within artillery range of the NorKs. They'd get wiped out almost to a man in the event of a suprise attack.

 

Which is why there is an Airforce.

 

in 1991 we had the Missouri and Wisconsin fire missiles and 16-inch (406 mm) guns at Iraqi targets during the First Gulf War.
It was really effective, but they cost a million $`s a day each to run.

 

The air force takes time to scramble and get weapons on targets. The NorKs can put nearly 120,000 152 and 122mm shells downrange A MINUTE at anything within 20 miles of the DMZ.

The air force ain't going to stop the whole of 2ID from dying.

 

That is true; they did cost a crap load to run. But they were very effective. You have to agree with that.

 

Ever been to Korea? The AF is all ready on high alert. With in 2min they can be airbone. US and the SK AF.
And they all ready have everything pre-sighted. They know were motor tubes, artly sites are. That and the fact that there is no one left to back them, are the two major reasons why NK hasn't done anything.

 

Something that should have been seen a mile off.

Today is nowhere near the same situation though.

 

No more effective than a cruise missile, which some of our smallest ships are capable of carrying.

 

Okay two minutes to airborne, another 5 or so to be over the target.

Meaning that the 2nd Infantry Division's bases have only been hit with around 600,000 artillery shells.

The only thing the air force will do is avenge their deaths.

 

We need a floating fortress....

A battleship that can also act as a troop carrier on land and sea, and as a semi permanent military base...
That would be sweet as hell.

The nazi`s actually designed a 1000 ton tank and 1500 ton tank that were basically that (minus ship ability, although the 1000 ton one would have been semi amphibious)....

 

We have them. They're called Carrier Battle Groups.

They're called Amphibious Assault Ships. We already have them.

Though what you are proposing, a troop carrying battleship, would be sweet as hell...for every submarine in 1,000 miles.

And they were (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded ideas. A single divebomber would have killed them, and they were so slow that an entire armored division could maneuver behind them and take them out.

 

You forget that we have our own Arterley too. Ours is more accurately then what NK can throw. And 5 mins. over the target no. They can be over NK soil in under 2min. We both have flying CAP with the only purpose is to take out NK sites like their motors. Are people going to die; of course. You’re making it sound like the whole div. is going to get whipped out and that isn’t the case.

Lets say that Kim Jong-il has lost his mind and decided to start the 2nd version of the Korian War. They are crazy, but they are not stupid, they are not going to fall off the deep end unless they can win. They are not going to just lunch their missiles and artillery and what not. That is pure suicide on their part. That means that they are going to have to put massive amounts of people and equipment such as tanks, troop carries, Air Defense, and probably the most important next to troops is the mine clearing equipment. They have to put all of their people and equipment on the border and that we would take notice. We should put more people on alert and start to send more people in the area.

There are two major problems that Kim Jong is going to face if he does this. The first, is the DMZ. For all purpose this is a giant ass minefield. And it stretches the whole through the whole country. There is every type of mine that you can think of. Some of them are made out of plastic so the only way for you to know that they are there is to use your knife and find it.

The 2nd major problem is that he is going to face massive amounts of desertion that will be taking place. There are some military units that haven’t been given upgraded equipment, food, and general supplies. Here is were our PSYOPS kicks in.