Islamophobes are pathetic

The term is pretty clear cut. If you have a hard time understanding the term, you're clearly over your head.

 

It's a perfectly valid question. Some people think that an "Islam apologist" is anybody who doesn't hate Islam with a burning passion.

 

Yeah, I think it was the independence thing that put me off track, most of the others want that. I'm no expert on the KKK but I'm not sure if it technically is a terrorist organisation. As far as I know, it's an organisation which happens to include a certain amount of terrorists, but can't in itself be called a terrorist organisation. Then again, I'm not disagreeing with them because of their classification, but because of the reason they might get it.

All that is based on my limited knowledge of the KKK, I'm sure someone can correct me.

 

Oh look, another thread created by teenage "atheists" who hate Christianity, but can't help expressing their undying love for all things Islam from the comfort of their parent's house.

Just convert and get it over with. This act is tiresome.

 

This forum is an eye opener to the horrible views some have against islam. Even on the so called 'religion' section of the forum. There are anti islam topics, crass racism and bigoted comments.

Does seem a real problem in the usa, with the buildup of intolerance (using nonsensical excuses to try and justify it) All aimed at a people who simply follow a different faith.

 

How about a "Christianphobes" are they pathetic too?

 

Its not that hard - one will commit crimes the other will not. That is all that matters. You cannot attack or prosecute someone for a crime they didnt commit. As for politics, anyone has the right to pursue a political manifesto whether communist, Islamist, capitalist, conservative or whatever. Politics should be about free and open debate that allows us to harmoniously sift through ideologies so as to find the most logical, effective and moral form of governance or whatever is proposed.

 

Certainly.

 

bahahaha! Oh man that's funny. Stupid, but funny.

Convert to what?

 

Its the way of humans. I find it interesting however, how some of the leading exporters of this hate are conservative, old school Christians who would themselves argue that Christianity (and they are right in many ways) is generally chastised unfairly - yet they dish out the same childish behavior to others, especially Muslims. Quite interesting.

 

I understand his point of view, ie where he is coming from, I just want to know what he means by the term specifically - ie his definition. He doesnt have to give one, I was curious as to his precise meaning.

 

How many do you think are Islamophobes and how many are Christianphobes?

Is it 50 / 50?
Or more Islamophobes?
Or more Christianphobes?

IMO, there are more Christianphobes: This comprise mainly of Atheist and Muslims, base on the amount of attacks verbally, publicly, militantly Christians have been experiencing.

 

Oh, I would say most Muslims on this forum, and in general, are far from disrespectful of Christianity. Jesus is one of Islam's most important Prophets, and there are many Christian principles that most Muslims are very much aware of ... and respect.

Its quite the opposite actually, the Islamophobes (and the Christianphobes) on this forum tend to be extremely ignorant of the faith they malign. In this section? There are clearly more Christianphobes. In the 'Latest News' section? Clearly more Islamophobes.

Quite frankly, I take my hats off to the Muslims on this forum, they amount of patience they have displayed has been truely remarkable. Especially considering the last time I tried to correct some of the more egregious errors of the Islamophobes, I was literally attacked and several banded together to try a harass me from the forum. And that happens rather routinely to the Muslims on this forum.

And yes, there are atheists who do the exact same thing to Christians. Seems to be a Western thing ...

 

frankly i am surprised.
a thread open for dialogue, not for battle.
partly free of bigotry and ignorance.

wow...
surprised.

i hope people don't ruin this thread with islamic auto-flames.
for this can be a root to a new tone in these forums.

you see?
i am that optimistic.

 

Unfortunately the title of thread is already about ANTI, INSULTING and BIAS generalization of all people who talks about Islam or Muslim are Islamophobic pathetic.

 

Dont know.

It would be way to diverse and subjective to determine.

I dont know which is "more" but I would think they are equally as loud, which is the only thing that really concerns me. They are hard to equate in terms of quantity since the quality and character of each various. I think it goes in waves depending on the issue of the say. As you say, one could identify Islamophobia in many atheist and Christian groups based on the amount of attacks verbally, publicly, militantly Muslims have been experiencing. But then as I say I think its contextual. Muslims never got this much attention until 9/11 - however they were always characterized by colonialist imagery, which Christianity never had for obvious reasons. In the past though, Christians were perceived as backward fools - even amongst each other.
It'll probably sway back to Christians later on though. Who knows. In that sense though both concepts can be equally as common and incomparable, but historically it has been Christians who have been confronted by the most pervasive prejudice certainly.

 

Yes, they are pathetic.

Just as anyone who is prejudiced against anyone else.

 

Hey get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed, that isnt what the title or the OP says. It says Islamophobes, not people who criticize Islam generally, are pathetic. There was not ONE generalization throughout.

 

I agree, totally.

 

That's the thing, Muslims have always been left alone until 9/11 but before that and up to present Christians have always been attack we see it on TV, read on print media so many "Allah Akbar" but we tend to ignore them and the reason why we don't hear much talks about Islam before 9/11 because Catholics and Christians in general are timid and concious not to talk about Muslims or Islam because we just want to leave them alone less we be accuse of racist or as you called it Islamophobes in fact that word was none existent before 9/11 it was only after 9/11 that Christians got a very terrible wake up call from Muslims that we started to investigate, study, research and talk about Muslims and Islam.

I for one, had all kinds of wrong impression about Muslim and Islam before 9/11 I always thought they are similar to Christianity that was the kind of informations that we had, but after reading about Islam I begun to understand that it is not similar to Christianity at all especially to the Catholic church. Many of my opinions I have posted at the other thread "Challenge the Quran" and Islam has no case", technically I didn't started Islam that thread I think that is a wrong title I would probably title it "Hope for Islam".

People who discuss about Islam are mostly accuse of Islamophobes but Muslims who discuss about Christianity are not accuse of being Christianphobes.

 

Really?

So, the Bosnian Muslims were just being 'left alone' were they?

In Chechnya, while the rest of the former Soviet Empire crumbled, the Muslims there were summarily ... left alone.

In Kashmire, despite having never held promised electins and being subjected to military occupation, the Muslims were ... left alone.

The Palestinians were of course just ... left alone.

During the Iran-Iraq War, we of course, studiously ignored Muslims entirely when we sided with Iraq ... whom we later invaded.

Agh yes, it was 9-11 that caused us to finally notice one of the world's largest religions ... and then habitually malign it with dishonesty. THAT is when that started

 

If we left them alone they'll all been ejected by the Serbs by now, we intervene not because we are Islamophobes but it was the right thing to do.

Are we supposed to convert those Chechnyas? No, we supported their struggle against the Russians not because we are Islamophobes but because it was the right thing to do. We only stop after 9/11.

Was it all because we are Islamophobes that we gave billions of $ to the Palestinians? Nope.

Who are Iraq? the Kurds we sided and help them not because they are Muslims not because we are Islamophobes but because they were being exterminated by Sunni Muslims of Saddam, were we wrong to intervene? No, when did it happen, after 9/11 before that we basically left them the Afghans alone to suffer under Muslims.

Yes, after 9/11 we started notice and pay more attention to Islam and Muslims that their problems are more serious than we thought and if understanding their problem is serious is consider dishonest and malicious or maligning them, then indeed we have the existence of an Islamic problem that is EXISTENTIAL than what we know or don't know especially since you are implying that their exist no problem at all and everything in Islam or Muslim that we are (Christians, Zionist and Atheist) the problem.

This is one discovery we learn, too many people paint Muslims as saints incapable of committing wars or crimes

 

No, Megadeth views someone quoting of violent verses from the Quran to be an Islamophobe, because he has nothing to offer in response to those verses other than to label someone an Islamophobe.

 

Third-raters are always desperate to find someone it's safe to criticise and hate, especially someone totally unaware of and uninterested in their posturing - it was an American habit Dickens was laughing about very early in the Nineteenth Century. They used to pick on Jews and still pick on black people. but their masters are running 'crusades' against Muslim countries, so that is specially safe. They are of course totally ignorant, and they run their rants into their other favourites, like their purely imaginary 'liberal' bugbears. This is late capitalism: enjoy!

 

'In 1997, the British Runnymede Trust defined Islamophobia as the "dread or hatred of Islam and therefore, to the fear and dislike of all Muslims," stating that it also refers to the practice of discriminating against Muslims by excluding them from the economic, social, and public life of the nation. It includes the perception that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, is inferior to the West and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia