To Offended Fundamentalists of All Stripes and Flavors: GROW UP.

Unfortunately faith trumps logic and knowledge. Its not a question of immaturity. Its a question of indoctrination and the belief that underpins it.

 

First of all freedom of speech is not here to stay....not even in America....it is being eroded at a ever increasing pace...you need look no further than this message board....the restrictions etc. Much more so in other places....very little freedom in the World at large and most particuarlly in muslim countries.

Whilst you are not as confused as the op...I do think you fail to really understand the problem with Islam.....and the op-- comparing muslim atrocities to childish behavior is as I said .....beyond the pale.....in essence trivializing murderous behavior...perhaps that was not his intent...but that was the message he presented and then he was supported by other simple minded sorts talking about soft drinks..................that sort of talk shows me that some simply cannot face up to the truth.....it is too painful for them....thus they seek to trivialize it or make fun of it. Outrageous.............but that is what some do.

We have a huge, huge problem with Islam....the whole world does...but the problem cannot be solved by spewing platitudes....to solve a problem it first must be understood..........we as a nation and in fact the entire western world still does not understand the nature of the problem with islam.

Thus you hear political leaders saying things like..........Islam is a religion of peace..............Islam has been hijacked by fanatics...etc.

The truth is simply too much for our leaders.....they cannot face up to it...and this is where bush failed so miserablly.....you cannot compromise or negotiate with evil.............until people understand that islam is evil ....the problem will not be solved.

How do you think the allies were able to defeat the combined mights of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and fascist Itally in a few short years.....because they understood the nature of the threat....that it was evil...that it called for all out war....a huge sacrifice was made....which insured a mighty victory.

We will never defeat the forces of Islam unless we are willing to face up to the truth and make the sacrifices required to defeat this evil that emanates from the world of Islam.

Unfortunately we are still very far from doing what is needed....time is on their side....the longer we remain confused and divided...the more difficult it will be to deal with the threat.....some believe we are destined to be defeated...they could be correct.

 

Since when was the right to freedom of speech supposed to extend onto private property?

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to give your opinion in public without fear of repercussions. The only limits this forum puts on you is not allowing cussing, and insulting other people. It is their right to put such limits, since it is their private property. It's the same right that allows a burger king to kick people out if they walk in and starting screaming that burger king sucks.

 

I think you are a tad confused. A man is only a comedian if he does not take his own words seriously. Rush is just... not too bright.

 

Yeah, let's take the easy way out and just declare Muslims evil that way we don't have to even view them as human thus justifying any atrocities we may have to commit to insure our victory.

Let's take the easy way out and instead of judging people as individuals, lump them all in one big stereotype so we don't have to do the work of actually having to know any of them.

Of course that means that articles like "Libyans express sorrow over killing of Americans" may cause some problems by showing Muslims as individuals, but we can always just attack the article as the "liberal media" trying placate the Muslims.

 

Fascist Germany and Italy were a result of dictators given power in times of extreme hardship. When they failed to live up to their promises, and their real actions revealed, the people turned away from them. It isn't that easy with a religion that has been in complete dominance in the area for well over a thousand years; I don't think we need to deliberate on how tightly interwoven Islam is in the area. But what you aren't addressing is the nature of your solution. Islam isn't an isolated cult, it's one of the biggest followings in the world. It isn't possible to snuff it out. And trying to force entire countries (much less the whole region) into complatency has worked about as well as smothering fire with gasoline. Without proper cause, process, and precision, any muslim death can become a martyrdom, adding three more to the frontlines. See: The spread of Christianity during the height of its persecution. No matter how much I'd preach at them about the rights they deny people, my concepts about humanity are as alien to them as theirs are to me. Perhaps even more so. Heres a concept to keep in mind - perception is reality. Too many see us as the heathens. Infidels. People who are to be killed for the will of Allah to get into paradise. Total anhialation is not on the table. Fear doesn't stop them. And blunt force won't contain them.

Understand this, and you see where our leaders see it. Their record being on the line, blood of our soldiers is an undesirable cause, and any reprocussions for interference is on their heads. You can't simply kill them all. Even the most careful application of force has a chance of backfiring. But this is getting repetetive. Here's your bottom line - The Third Reich was a government capable of signing a treaty to end the war. Hirohito could surrender on behalf of Japan. But you're calling for a war in the dark. We've tried the war on terror, and we've learned that you make enemies that way. I can only promise to keep my ears open for you - what do you think our course of action needs to be?

 

And Christianity does not brainwash people? Where do you live? Because obviously Christianity always will try to do what in Islam is done. If they cannot do exactly the same things is thanks to the laicism that have removed to them some power.

 

Are you dead serious? Are you afraid Richard Dawkins is going to burn the flag or something?

 

I bet nobody dies as a result of that offense. I bet no official edicts or death treats are issued. You may have to go in hiding for being embarrassed for being such an idiot but your life won't be in danger.

 

You made Islam your enemy. That's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. Not a very clever thing to do.

 

Yes, those who insult science should be beheaded.

 

LOL. You make my day.

 

War is hell..........who said that? There is no easy way out when engaged in a life and death struggle...and that is what it is coming down to.

We dropped two big Fat Boy bombs on Japan....you may recall or if you are one of those types(You sound like it)Jay Leno interviews....you probably never heard of it.....anyhow the point being...you do not win wars by being touchy feely...now you no doubt think Truman made a huge mistake....that he comitted a terrible atrocity by nuking Japan.....yet he saved thousands and thousands of American lives by doing so.

Now no doubt not everyone in Hiroshima or Nagasaki were fascists---now very likely.....probably few of them if any had anything to do with Pearl Harbor....and thus by your logic....we should not have comitted such a brazen act of inhumane behavior. Yet we won the war. We defeated Imperial Japan in a few short years.

Likewise....Nazi Germany...not all Germans were nazis but look what happened there....yet we defeated them in a few short years....how did we do that? Certainly not by viewing them as decent human beings...we did not worry about their feelings or stay awake at night pondering their individuality and or their humanity...in fact we did not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) whether they were human or not(their actions certainly were not human...just as so much that comes out of Islam is inhumane)to Americans at that time(and deservedly so) they were just the enemy and usually referred to as krauts or japs...deroguatory terms....perhaps even racist...but we defeated Hitler as well as Mussolini....all in a few short years.

However if our leadership back then thought like you....we would still be waging WWII or more likely we would have lost the war and we would all be speaking german or ashes in some crematorium.

All I am saying is that the American People must decide whether or not America is worth saving...perhaps you do not think so?

 

Inciting violence was perfectly calculated by Media for Christ and Jihad Watch.. When exposed, they blamed Israel.

 

First of all the Germans never turned away from Hitler .....the Italians did turn on Mussolini after they realized they were losing the war....but to cut to the chase...................What should our course of action be in regards to the threat that Islam poses to the Western World....well I should probably amend that to include the whole world.

First of all the people must be educated...and they must be told the truth....George Bush did not think such was required...he made a huge mistake. He had all the moral capital in the world to wage war on Islam but what did he do? He squandered his opportunity be deciding to undertake a limited war and try and convince people that Islam is a peaceful religion...all he did was confuse people who then turned against him because they came to the conclusion that the war was not nessacary if Islam was a peaceful religion.

But on to what we need to do....first of all we need to secure the Homeland.....immediately cut off the ability of muslims to come and go .....we do not need a revolving door for terrorists to utilize. Then instead of monitoring suspicious muslims (which costs a ridiculous amount of money and manpower) we need to deport those who are deemed a threat or a possible threat.....that would be more economical and free up the FBI for more useful tasks. We need to radically over-haul our immigration policy....cease giving preferential treatment to those from third world countries...instead we should favor Europeans....our own family so to speak. Next we need to seal the Mexican Border.....utilizing whatever means are most effective. But we should not forget the Canadian Border...the Canadians let too many muslims in...they should be persuaded not to do that.

The next thing that comes to mind is that we need to utilize the Israelis....instead of treating them like a red headed step child...we should take advantage of their expertise...especially in the area of special ops....which they are very good at.

I am just hitting some highlights since space is limited....in Afghanistan we could get tremendous help from India...with encouragement I am sure they would be willing to send in thousands of troops to fight our mutual enemy.

Pakistan needs to be dealt with harshly...it is foolish to let them play a double game....tell them to clean up the tribal lands or we will....while we are at it...we should strip them of their nukes...it could be done.

During the cold war we had a doctrine called MAD...mutual assured destruction....meaning if the Russians attacked us we would respond with nukes.....harsh but it prevented a hot war. Likewise we need to let it be known to all the muslim nations...if we suffer a catastrophic attack by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction we will immediately nuke mecca and all the holy sites of islam along with all their major cities....I think that would be a good preventive to keep the terrorists from setting off a dirty bomb or nuclear device in one of our major cities. The terrorists may not care about their own lives but they do care about their families and their Holy Places....imagine what just one small nuke could do to mecca??? If mecca was destroyed the muslims would be like fish out of water.

Just stuff off the top of my head...I think you will get my drift.

 

First of all the Germans never turned away from Hitler .....the Italians did turn on Mussolini after they realized they were losing the war....but to cut to the chase...................What should our course of action be in regards to the threat that Islam poses to the Western World....well I should probably amend that to include the whole world.

First of all the people must be educated...and they must be told the truth....George Bush did not think such was required...he made a huge mistake. He had all the moral capital in the world to wage war on Islam but what did he do? He squandered his opportunity be deciding to undertake a limited war and try and convince people that Islam is a peaceful religion...all he did was confuse people who then turned against him because they came to the conclusion that the war was not nessacary if Islam was a peaceful religion.

But on to what we need to do....first of all we need to secure the Homeland.....immediately cut off the ability of muslims to come and go .....we do not need a revolving door for terrorists to utilize. Then instead of monitoring suspicious muslims (which costs a ridiculous amount of money and manpower) we need to deport those who are deemed a threat or a possible threat.....that would be more economical and free up the FBI for more useful tasks. We need to radically over-haul our immigration policy....cease giving preferential treatment to those from third world countries...instead we should favor Europeans....our own family so to speak. Next we need to seal the Mexican Border.....utilizing whatever means are most effective. But we should not forget the Canadian Border...the Canadians let too many muslims in...they should be persuaded not to do that.

The next thing that comes to mind is that we need to utilize the Israelis....instead of treating them like a red headed step child...we should take advantage of their expertise...especially in the area of special ops....which they are very good at.

I am just hitting some highlights since space is limited....in Afghanistan we could get tremendous help from India...with encouragement I am sure they would be willing to send in thousands of troops to fight our mutual enemy.

Pakistan needs to be dealt with harshly...it is foolish to let them play a double game....tell them to clean up the tribal lands or we will....while we are at it...we should strip them of their nukes...it could be done.

During the cold war we had a doctrine called MAD...mutual assured destruction....meaning if the Russians attacked us we would respond with nukes.....harsh but it prevented a hot war. Likewise we need to let it be known to all the muslim nations...if we suffer a catastrophic attack by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction we will immediately nuke mecca and all the holy sites of islam along with all their major cities....I think that would be a good preventive to keep the terrorists from setting off a dirty bomb or nuclear device in one of our major cities. The terrorists may not care about their own lives but they do care about their families and their Holy Places....imagine what just one small nuke could do to mecca??? If mecca was destroyed the muslims would be like fish out of water.

Just stuff off the top of my head...I think you will get my drift.

 

Whats ridiculous is you have neither the balls nor the fortitude to even directly acknowledge the problem much less address it......

....there arent Christians flying planes into buildings.... there arent Buddhists beheading innocent people.....there arent Jews going full retard and murdering people over cartoons and moview trailers.

.......Muslims.....are the problem. You need not address anyone but them.....
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There should be a law against suggesting dumb (*)(*)(*)(*) like this.

 

False. For many it was not until the trials that they realized what they did, but in the end they discarded Hitler's ideology. That is why we don't have Germans strapping bombs to themsleves for Adolf's vision. Muslims aren't going to give up their beliefs, though. America has a good enough track record with organized warfare, but you're not talking about waging war on a country or two. Muslims will not be fighting clean. If you put their backs to the wall I guarantee they will fight with every scrap they can reach, and we aren't as successful against total guerilla warfare. See: Every nation to try to take over Afghanistan. War would spill oceans of blood, too much of it ours.

MAD worked because the Soviet Union wasn't driven by a desire to simply kill, it wanted to more or less rule the world. It cared about winning. Terrorists don't work that way. Each group answers to itself, and a terrorist from Egypt could be the one that you use to justify killing millions from Saudi Arabia. Complete moral depravity aside, if you lay waste to Mecca, you will turn every single Muslim against the United States. 1.6 Billion people who will consider it their one and only purpose to be Allah's vengeance upon the infidel westerners. And then you will have nothing to attack that you can hold back. It would be a complete and utter disaster for the entire world.

SmilinJack, the odds of dying in a terrorist attack are 1 in 25,000,000. I can't justify deportation based on a hunch where the only evidence is a religion. I can't justify denying people the chance to escape the oppresion of the hellhole that is the Middle East on these odds. As-is, terrorists are not capable of inflicting lasting damage upon America. We can't afford to be rash. We need to address the true threats, not bring about a new Red Scare that will smash our oil-needing economy, punish the wrong people, and cause even more deaths on both sides.

 

Because that's accurate. If you're only going to be happy if someone is specifically picking on Muslim fundamentalists, then your problem isn't with violence, it's with Islam. That's hypocrisy.

 

That's true. But that requires a person to make a statement that is both demonstrably harmful and provably false. That's not really possible in either religion or politics. In the case of, let's say, a movie about Mohammed, slander isn't possible and whether or not there's any metaphorical fire is entirely debatable.

 

Did you seriously just ask me how I would feel if my head had been cut off?

 

I suppose that's true, he does claim to be telling the truth. But I always assumed he was being ironic.

 

Exactly......why do the Liberals have such an inability to address the issue of Isllamic terrorism....or is it they afraid of the Muzzies?