Why School Shootings?

You do not even know what or who it is you are 'preparing' against or for....

 

Of course, I know what and who I'm preparing for. For example, the armed fugitive who got loose in our woods a year ago after getting in a shootout with the police.

 

Uh huh..but it is because you have so much of the latter, than you feel this need to feel secure, so the real answer is ...why do you have so many Americans, with guns, that want to shoot one another, and at cops? I am assuming that in your story, it was the cops that managed to apprehend him, in the end, right, and not you and your guns..

 

It sounds like you're basically blaming our government for a problem caused by the Mexican government.

If we didn't sell them weapons, someone else would.

America would just be better off ending the War on Drugs. After that, fixing the rest of the problem would be up to Mexico itself.

 

I'm sorry , that 's a feggin poor excuse.


btw - I'm not entirely convinced that there are NOT some Americans who are not profitting from the cross border drug trad along with Mexican drugs cartel.

Its a dirty business to which many americans have in the past shown much enthusiasm for . Hence I would'nt try putting all the blame on Mexican drug dealers. Seems to me as six of one and half dozen of the other..

One thing is cetain , your government is as lacks as your neighbours, if NOT more so.



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Australia also doesn't have the social problems like America.

 

I wonder why not.....

 

Hmnm..I wonder what is wrong with the American psyche, I mean...just LOOK at this collection of freaks.

[video=youtube;CF2VUvYOUZY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF2VUvYOUZY[/video]

What a total bunch of utterly sad, cringeworthy, vampires..


Hundreds of American adventure-seekers have found the latest thrill at a West Bank firing range, shooting pictures of Arab-looking targets and learning a new version of Israeli patriotism.


http://rt.com/news/israeli-new-form-patriotism-734/

 

Alan Dershowitz

2001: In a speech to a Jewish audience at the Jewish Community Center of Creve Coeur, Harvard Jew Alan Dershowitz said:

— “I support abolishing self-defense. No one has the right to take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. Everyone who is arming themselves for self-defense are wrong.

“I’m in favor of broad controls on guns. If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.” —


http://www.hypocritae.com/National/alan-dershowitz-supports/


Diane Feinstein

1993:The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 comes from San Francisco Jewish Congresswoman Diane Feinstein. The Bill bans the possession of semiautomatic rifles described as “assault weapons.” [Note: true assault weapons are fully automatic, not semiautomatic].


1994: The Brady Bill which requires long waiting periods to buy handguns also comes from the Jewish Senator Metzenbaum.


1993:Senate Bill S.653 comes from Cleveland Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The Bill bans specific semiautomatic rifles.

Emanuel Celler

1968:The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from NY Congressman Emanuel Celler. America’s biggest & most far-reaching Gun Control Law



You know, when some surprise names were saying to me on here today, that they felt this was an attempt by Zionists to disarm Americans, I gave it a thumbs down.

Now? Maybe they have a point..

 

Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine School shootings in Littleton, Colorado left a U.S. Congressional Committee dumbfounded with his address. Here is an edited version of what Darrell Scott said to the American Congress:

“Since the dawn of creation, there has been a portion of both good and evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of violence and the seeds of loving. “The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of her heroic teacher and the other 11 children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. “One of the first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother, Abel, out in the fields. The villain was the not the club Cain used. The true killer was Cain and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.

“In the days following the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the National Rifle Association.

“I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA, because I do not believe they are responsible for my daughter’s death.

“I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event which should force us to look for where the real blame lies.

“Much of the blame lies here in this room, (the U.S. Congress.) Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.

“I wrote a poem expressing my own feelings.

“Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
“Your words are empty air.
“You’ve stripped away our heritage,
“You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
“Now, gunshots fill our classrooms,
“And precious children die.
“You seek for answers everywhere,
“Then ask the question ‘why?’
“You regulate restrictive laws,
“Through legislative creed.
“And yet you fail to understand,
“That God is what we need.”

“We all consist of three parts — body, soul and spirit. When we fail to acknowledge that third part of our make-up, we create a void which allows evil, prejudice and hatred to rush in and cause havoc.

“Spiritual influences were present in our educational systems for most of American history. Many major colleges began as theological seminaries. These are historical facts.

“What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God and, in so doing, we have opened the doors to hatred and violence. And, when something as terrible as Columbine occurs, politicians immediately look for a scapegoat like the NRA; they immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws and continue to erode our personal and private liberties.

“We do not need more restrictive laws. (The shooters), Eric and Dylan, would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No gun law will stop someone who spends time planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

“The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awakening taking place. It will not be squelched.

“We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy television evangelists spewing our verbal religious garbage. We do not need more million-dollar church buildings being constructed while people’s basic needs are being ignored.

Darren Scott, concluded his speech to a quiet, dumbfounded U.S. Congressional committee, this way:

“As my son, Craig, lay under that classroom table in that school library and saw his friends murdered before his very eyes — he did not hesitate to pray.

“I defy any law or any politician to deny him that right.”


http://catholiceducation.org/articles/civilization/cc0053.html

 

I don't own a gun. That probably makes me not biased although I am a conservative. My research says gun bans actually increase crime.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

 

Banning assault rifles and machine guns and large ammo clips is not that same thing as banning guns. Americans would still be able to buy rifles and pistols, so it would still be constitutional.

Approximately 40% of gun sales are in the secondary market. that is from private individuals and gun shows. No background checks, no waiting periods, simply plunk down the cash and walk away with as many guns and you can afford.

It seems to me that a sensible thing would be to ban all sales not accompanied by a background check and waiting period and ban assault weapons etc. That way at least, citizens can still have the liberty to buy and carry guns, but at least there'll be a little more control in keeping hands out of many of the loonies etc.

There must be some sensible controls and restrictions that can be put into place that will be acceptable to both sides in this debate.

 

What for ? They carry guns because they are frightened of people with guns.

Old time US lawmen posted signs saying ' No guns in town '. Offenders were arrested. Nobody got shot.

 

Yeah. What is possibly wrong with that? Nothing. May not solve everything, but surely, at the very minimum, what you suggest - no one can make a strong case against. It is like if you want to work or volunteer in a position here, in which you work with kids. No matter who you are, you must submit to a full disclosure, before taking up your post. I have no issues with that, if it reduces the chance of freaks trying to get into roles that bring them into easy contact with kids, I have no issues with it at all, and would even pay for my own checks to be done (but you do not have to, they pay for it).

 

Unless you obtain a permit from the Feds (ATF) the possession of a fully automatic assault weapon is already illegal, Jonsa. The semi-automatic weapons that many people confuse with fully automatic weapons solely on account of their appearance (ex., Bushmaster XM15 and AR-15 rifles) are not assault weapons.

That having been said, I am in favor of closing the gun hole loopholes and requiring a background check on any purchase of a firearm, but I don't favor the waiting period.

Unfortunately, none of these measures would have prevented the shootings in Aurora and Newtown.

 

Why the hell is it the SCHOOLS job to teach your child about morality and god? Why dont you stop being a lazy parent and start doing that job yourself. That is YOUR job. Not the teachers or schools job. Stop failing as a parent and pushing the blame on to others.

 

Because it is a constitutional right. It is to ensure against tyranny of government. You watch too many movies.

 

And when do they know that has happened, and that it is 'time'..?

 

Well, it will happen if the government tries to take their guns away.
It will happen if the government rips up the constitution or cancels elections.

I'm sure you can think of a few scenerios where it might be "time", but its highly unlikely, because anyone making such a play would have to consider what the resistence of a heavily armed populace would do to their plans.

With such firepower in the hands of the people it is an ingenious counterbalance to government power. that there have been stupid laws on access concerning access and weapons types, that there are stupid drug laws and other socially imposed stictures that contribute to a violent society is not the fault of the guns.

 

And you don't think, esp if it were couched for them, that most would not just make a lot of noise, but ultimately, that would be about the extent of their resistance?

 

It is not the teachers job to teach morality and God, but it definitely is not the goverments job to tell parents that their children cannot pray in school...or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Yeah right, you're living in dream world. If that were the case, the criminals in Chicago wouldn't be killing themselves every night, they would have been confiscated. You know we had prohibition once. Liquor was not allowed, and that's what gave rise to all the big mafia gangs. Liquor was smuggled in from Canada or it was made illegally in stills. It was served in 'speak easys', and they were very popular.

When I was a child, our summer home was very rural. We had rifles, and bows and arrows with metal tips, and my mother wasn't frightened of us killing one another. Twenty years later when the grand children arrived, the fear of them doing so by accident was very real and the guns were taken away. What changed between those years, after all we were much wilder than the generation that came after us? Something to ponder I think?

 

Of course there is profit to be made from it.

That's why ending the War on Drugs is the best move rather than freaking out over guns. Legalizing or at least decriminalizing drugs would kill a huge portion of cartel markets.

If America took that route, then Mexico would basically have to follow.

At that point, the only markets left would be illegal guns and human trafficking. We obviously can't legalize human trafficking, and it's doubtful we'd legalize fully auto weapons, but narrowing down the cartels' markets is a good thing.

Beyond that, it's up to Mexico to fix their problems.

 

Turin,
Where I went to school from pre-K to junior high, we were taught how to share, we were taught how to walk in an orderly fashion, how to not fight with others, etc. Heck, we even had morning prayer time. This was in South Carolina.
As to teaching my own children, I do not have any but I have helped in raising four nephews and two nieces, so your quid about lazy parentage is way off base.
I was simply going by what I experienced while attended pre-school, elementary school and junior high school. By the way I see children of all backgrounds behave today, someone needs to step in without going to government who are prone to make matters worse. As a matter of fact, it is the very governments who created catastrophic situations to begin with, with their Progressive/Extreme Liberal policies and guidelines on child rearing.

 

Yes, okay then Jeanette, if they bring in gun controls, I think at that exact point, everyone in America, led by Paris Hilton, and Tiger Woods, will be out there, revolting against the state machine.

If the state machine banned all your guns today, lots of you would (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about it, but they could do it if they really wanted to, no doubt.

Second amendment.....tearing sounds....what second amendment? If you honestly think that a generation raised on Fox News, chemical hot dogs, and pills are any match for your golem state...perhaps it is you who are dreaming?