Why I don't like gays & why theyre ways should not become acceptable

There you go, that's improvement.

Now if you could just some how figure out that the way your friend acted is in no way a generalization of the way all gays act.

 

Yes, useful to any couple, and yet, you only wish to extend marriage to gay couples.

 

Since when has anyone talked of denying marriage to straight couples? WTF?

 

So you can admite some guys act like that to women and you act differently. so by this you can clearly make a judgment call and say women will sometimes act like this as well, Gay men and Lesbian women. So if there are people on both sides of the fence on the same situation. How can you say they are all the same?

 

Really? You mean that, if gay couples are allowed to marry, heterosexual couples will no longer be allowed to marry?

That sounds unfair, doesn't it?

It's either ALL or NONE!

(lucky no one ever talked about restricting marriage for heterosexual people!. . .)

 

so what about polygomy? what about incest marriage? what about adult/child marriage? what about beastiality?

as you said, its ALL or NONE

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better for who? sounds like some barbarian sh*t to me

 

Then you will never grow as a human being. That's not an insult. It's a fact of psychological development.

 

Very worrying to see you don't know the difference between crimes and acts between consenting adults.

Better for the child.

 

??? Nope

 

This thread has gone on way, way, WAY longer than it deserves. Why are you all still trying to convince him? Try to convince Richard Dawkins to become a Trappist monk for more likely success.

 

In truth, RTL's view is irrelevant...as it is a dying viewpoint. In 30 years the Republicans no less, not even Democrats, have come further on gay rights that would have been possible in 1982. Dick Cheney's daughter was an open lesbian...he got elected twice and was loudly supported by conservatives.

The general public as well. 35 years ago, it was a major scandal that ABC had a sitcom with an openly gay character (Billy Crystal's on "Soap")...today? Fox Entertainment (owned by the same conservative Rupert Murdoch who owns FNC)....has numerous gay and bisexual characters on its shows.

The average age of homophobes is rapidly approaching "nursing home"...less a few stragglers. Same-sex marriage after a rocky start, is legal in several states. 20-25 years....to be openly homophobic will be like openly supporting the Klan.

 

I don't feel too strongly about abortion, one way or another, but that's just silly to claim that the abortion is in the best interest of the aborted child.

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I don't feel too strongly about abortion, one way or another, but that's just silly to claim that the abortion is in the best interest of the aborted child.

 

Neither do I, it is the business of the woman concerned, not anyone else's, and I understand your point of view vis a vis the 'child'. But it is a rather nice point I am addressing. First off, the entity which is aborted in early term is a zygote, not even a foetus, so it has not yet developed a central nervous system, much less a functioning brain - it is not a person in any but the potential sense (something which may be as easily said of sperm or ova). And secondly, (and here I am speaking of principle,) to deny a potential creature consciousness, is IMO, a lesser crime than to produce a sentient being in the reasonable expectation of a life of physical and emotional suffering.

 

Correct, just as it is wrong that guys act like that toward men. These guys lack respect. But respect and sexuality are two completely different things.

 

Abortion or a life of physical and emotional suffering are not the only two alternatives for an unwanted child in the first trimester.

 

Of course, if there are other viable alternatives they would be preferable and must be employed. Who do you think I am - Doctor Mengler reincarnated? But the premise I was addressing in principle was the reasonable expectation of a life of physical and emotional suffering.

 

I was referring to your othe principle.

 

I don't see abortion as a form of anti-conception but if the mother's a crack addict, no decent father in sight, the child will be born with an addiction, a life full of misery, crime and no love....in my book that is in the best interest of the child.

 

Correct, and I will support other couples that may remain if there are no valid objections against them either. But we aren't talking about them or any of the unique concerns they bring which are irrelevant to the discussion of same-sex couples.

 

Have you ever read any of the works of Peter Singer? He makes a very good case that, in some cases, death may be better than life.

 

The single mother and grandmother down the street from me, joined together for a decade to build a home for their children/grandchildren are of the "same- sex".

 

Who gets to make that decision?

 

We are speaking of Leos principle that it is in the best interest of any child that is "unwanted" to be aborted.

 

...The main critique of Singer's work, to be sure. He just presents it as a hypothetical possibility.

Pretty sure he didn't actually say that...

 

An interesting story. Let's look at this from another perspective to see if it makes sense.

Numerous women have shared stories of unsoliticted sexual advances by men and they shouldn't have to deal with this. Does this mean that heterosexual men should not be acceptable in our society? Should we look at heterosexual men as being PERVERTS because that's what the are?