Kermit Gosnell, MD

Here's another question: Should a woman be able to get an abortion if the baby's head is still stuck in her vagina? I mean, if the rest of the baby's body is flailing outside her body, but the head is not out yet (a partial birth abortion).

Because elective partial-birth abortions apparently are legal. Not all of them are considered "late-term" under the law. They like to kill the baby before it comes all the way out because otherwise it has a chance of survival.

Of course, this was not the case at Gosnell's clinic. They had no problem killing outside the womb. According to one witness testimony, one of the abortion workers was PLAYING with one of the babies, before she finally snipped the spinal cord!

 

They are not legal except to save the life of the woman. When they were done, most partial birth abortions were not late-term, they were second trimester, but it is the procedure that is illegal.

 

What a load of manure! To pretend this only happens in low income communities is idiotic.

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And that is all that matters , right?

Right? Wrong" Irrelevant....right?

Pro aborts are disgusting people.

 

As I said before. I am for choice. Just like God gave us free will, I believe the abortionists and women who have them have free will to get them and then when judged by the Almighty he is free to burn them in hell forever.

 

I don't know why you quoted me....your post has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted. which was addressing another poster.


Are you confused?

You must be or you'd keep religion in the religion forum where it belongs (or the Fantasy and Fairy Tale forum.)

 

Not as interesting as those who KNOW what God thinks about abortion.

Then why do you think a woman who has suffered through MONTHS of

exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
heartburn and indigestion
constipation
weight gain
dizziness and light-headedness
bloating, swelling, fluid retention
hemmorhoids
abdominal cramps
yeast infections
congested, bloody nose
acne and mild skin disorders
skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
mild to severe backache and strain
increased headaches
difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
increased urination and incontinence
bleeding gums
pica
breast pain and discharge
swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
inability to take regular medications
shortness of breath
higher blood pressure
hair loss
tendency to anemia
curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease

after all that, would want an abortion near the end of the pregnancy (other than medical reasons)?

 

I am really curious about this, if say every single pro-choicer you have ever spoken with told you that they believe there should be no laws on abortion and that women should be free to abort in all trimesters for any reason at all how would you react? I mean, it'd be like getting your life-long forum board dream achieved, would you be thrilled? lol

Maybe your mind would be literally blown.

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And why the insistence on "late term"

Because the pro-life movement know, through research, that the later the term the less support there is for it in the minds of most people

So they link late term termination of pregnancy and abortion

This is actually not about getting an answer - it is about inculcating at a subconscious level the link between those two terms. Like making the connection between "soap" and "clean". It is like subliminal advertising

The way to stop this is to quietly insist, each time "late term abortion" is mentioned that it means a "Termination of pregnancy"

Refuse to play the "game"

The other thing to do is also point out that the majority of Termination of pregnancy are done for foetal malformation

In this way we counter this subtle subliminal message with a counter message

 

Some pro-aborts are not hypocrites and some are. Pasithea is not...anyone else who wants to DENY WOMEN THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE IN THIS CASE A LATE TERM ABORTION, IS. I have been told that Canada has no restrictions or laws denying a woman her rights. I will admit I am ANTI-CHOICE ON THIS. But they pro-abort who wants to deny women...this....are also anti-choice based on THEIR MORALITY. I can't base my position and use morals....but they can?

It should not be hard to state ones opinion if you think its solid. So she must not think its solid...cause she sure aint stating it. LOL She is not alone however..there are others.... like fish on a lure squirmin to get away....from having their position thrown back in their face.

This thread is about a doctor who performed late term abortions. What did he do I ask pro-aborts...that was so wrong?

NO ONE WILL ANSWER. WHY DON'T YOU TACKLE IT?

 

We cannot be sure at this point that he did anything wrong since he is still on TRIAL. The trial with jurors who hear ALL the evidence determines his guilt or innocence. What he is accused of is not abortion. He is accused of infanticide.

 

As far as I know most of them have already shared their positions on the issue pretty clearly and they choose not to respond again because it is a fruitless endeavor that just leads into a pointless bickering circle of the same responses to the same questions. Here are some people's positions clearly indicated in your locked thread though if that helps a little bit in keeping track of what everyone here believes. http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/297515-abortion-stances.html

You may want to keep them in a Word document and update them as you get more information, perhaps that will save you the effort of repeating yourself incessantly on the forums or coming across as a stalker/harasser.

 

You can oppose abortion based on your religion, but you can't base laws on it.

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Then why do Christians disagree?

 

LOL! Hey you can spray your spittle all over your monitor to your heart's content...this thread isn't ABOUT some guy that killed his kids, or about the Boston Marathon. It's about how the abortion industry has resulted in abortion clinics that are horror shows, where women are treated like less than animals and where illegal abortions are performed on a regular basis and viable infants murdered in cold blood while the politicians, the abortion rights activists and the women's rights groups all, not only turned a blind eye to but willfully fought to prevent oversight.

you abortionists OWN this one, Dr Gosnell is one of you. He is your own.

 

it is EXACTLY their position, stated repeatedly throughout this forum. They insist that ALL women are altruistic victims of circumstances...while at the same time, 'empowered'. I am not sure still how they manage to twist their own minds around that.

but yes, they insist that there be no restrictions on women's rights to kill their babies at will. Which is why nail salons are inspected more often than abortion clinics.

 

this is the part that REALLY cracks me up...and what is REALLY funny, is it works...on libs.

see Progressives know that their arguments fail if faced with logic, so they have to default to emotion and whining..see all those symptoms up there? I have had them all in the last six months...anyone alive that can say they havent' had a leg cramp? or tiredness? or anemia at some point (hey what about all that blood loss at menses!! better isolate her and not let her lift heavy things!). See how silly and backwards it is when really examined?

and of course what Cady and other Progressives leave out (conveniently) is that women aren't just randomly getting pregnant...they don't just get up one morning and discover a band of rampaging sperm has invaded their toilet and jumped up (all by themselves!) into her vagina...nope the ONLY way a woman can get pregnant against her will is rape. And anyone that is raped knows it well before the baby is viable.

now, watch as the proabortionists jump in with little antecdotes about some random woman that might have been so stupid and so poor and so this or so that and couldn't get an abortion earlier and lord knows she couldn't get reliable birth control because no birth control is 100% so...we HAVE to allow millions of abortions on demand for that one retarded, poor woman that got raped on the day her birth control failed.

for them Dr Goslin is just the price they are willing to pay. Simple fact. They don't care about the women that suffered, they don't care about the woman that died...and they SURE don't give a flying F*** about no decapitated babies. Leg cramps and weight gain are far more important in their shallow, sad minds.

 

I don't disagree. I think the law is fine. Let the murderers using free will burn in hell.

 

Bowerbird wants to talk about the anti abortion people 'playing a game' with semantics while blatantly trying to bend the semantics her way.

'termination of pregnancy' is no doubt a market researched term that the abortionists wish to hide behind but I for one will not be fooled into using it. Control the language and you control the argument. I am not giving anything to these women abusing baby killers.

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Bowerbird wants to talk about the anti abortion people 'playing a game' with semantics while blatantly trying to bend the semantics her way.

'termination of pregnancy' is no doubt a market researched term that the abortionists wish to hide behind but I for one will not be fooled into using it. Control the language and you control the argument. I am not giving anything to these women abusing baby killers.

 

When you have something relevant to add to the debate please do so.

 

When you bring religion into it then all logical discussions go out the window, religion has nothing to do with logic.

I've asked this question before and you failed to answer .. so lets try again, please show me anywhere in the old or new testaments that god even mentions abortion let alone condemns it?

 

No, these are common complications of pregnancy, NOT, AS YOU MISREPRESENTED, reasons for abortion. Why would any woman willingly suffer these complications for months, unless she wanted a baby? Can you answer that?

 

Yes, you disagree wtih other Christians who support abortion rights, because the Bible says nothing about abortion.

 

Few problems with this flawed analogy -

An abortion is a termination of pregnancy, use a dictionary and see for yourself - "Abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks", so in fact the term used is correct .. what isn't correct is your usage of "women abusing baby killers" - Personally I have never abused a woman or killed a baby, and neither has any woman who has had an abortion .. there is no 'baby' in abortion.

I wonder how you feel about one of your pro-life cohorts who readily admits to having had an abortion, is she a "woman abusing baby killer" as well, or one of the others who advocates killing newborn babies who have downs syndrome or are of mixed race .. strange company for a pro-lifer don't you think?

 

You know what really cracks me up is that pro-lifers spout off with their so high and mighty moralistic viewpoint and yet if they get what they want they wouldn't give a flying f*** for the women who would die, there answer is it's her own fault for getting pregnant, for spreading her legs .. nor do they give a f*** for any child after birth .. nah, its not their problem then .. no way are they going to give a little more to support the approx 116,000 extra children going into care. With pro-lifers its about control, control, control, spending time moaning about government involvement in an individuals life and then promoting a law that will guarantee much more government involvement in their life.

Moralistic BS is what pro-life is all about, it only counts if it suits their particular brand of morals . .everyone else is wrong (god told them so).

 

Churchmouse asks what Gosnell did wrong, as if killing a newborn baby is okay and we'd be fine with it.

He is on trial for MURDER. He is NOT on trial for abortion, because he never performed an abortion, if he had, there wouldn't be a trial. He made these women give birth to LIVE babies and then he killed them, which is murder as defined by law.

Abortion is not murder, therefore he cannot have performed an abortions or else he wouldn't have committed a crime.

I can see that a few have been saying the exact same thing over and over again to no avail, so I have now said it.

This is not about abortion, this is not even an abortion debate, its a debate about a man who allegedly committed murder.