Obama’s Climate Change Speech Unveil Caps Carbon Emissions, Climate Change Policy

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are either completely uninformed...or on the Exxon payroll.....I am embarrassed....FOR you.
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    Lets go with both.
     
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    I expect this is part of his internal damage control.


    Call me crazy.
     
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    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    It's almost as if he's actually TRYING to do our country in?????
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    I do not think he is trying. I think he is just blind to what will actually help our country, and believes counter-productive policies are correct policies. Intervening in Syria is an excellent example of such.
     
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    and the effect of CO2 revised down...to where it belongs. Why do you want a CO2 tax? Just to enlarge government and give them even more power or to force manufacturing to India and China so we import our CO2 just like Europe. This certainly is not about the environment., so please dont even pretend it is.
     
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    Hussein Obama's war on US jobs escalates.
     
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    von Storch or Spiegel is not the IPCC. von Storch is somewhat all over the map in that interview (his statement on 15-year trends in models is wrong) - could be the translation or interviewer's style, but you miss some key parts.

    In fact, a recent SkS article covers that nicely.

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/clarifying-continuation-global-warming.html

    von Storch notes the IPCC is actually quite conservative to begin with...



    Uncertainty is not our friend. It can give us false comfort when that uncertainty results in a watered-down conservative consensus projection. But again, it's a bit hit and miss with VS. He's wrong on the "whether" claim about Greenland. The IPCC (conservative as they are) expect a net sea level rise from Greenland regardless of uncertainty.
     
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    Not necessarily. Natural forcing being revised up does not automatically mean anthropogenic forcing from human C02 emissions is revised down. As for a C02 tax, I consider it the best means of internalizing negative externalities from C02 emissions without shifting costs onto the consumer, and just so you know, I am a staunch critic of the inaction by both India and China on the front of combatting global warming/climate change. China made a half-a**ed effort when it began its five-year, approximately $300 billion plan in 2008 to increase its renewable energy outputs, but it has done nothing to actually offset its strong upward trends within its existing C02-polluting industries. To make matters worse, India has done basically nothing to combat global warming/climate change, all while their government fails to address the other symptoms of its unprecedented economic growth. This is absolutely about the environment for me, not about enlarging government. I am a libertarian to the core, an anarchist at heart, and a globalist out of practicality, and I support limited government, constitutionalism, free markets, and free people. My proposal for a carbon dioxide emissions tax is part of a broader tax proposal to eliminate all existing taxes on the local, state, and federal levels, eliminate the IRS, and replace all forms of government revenue with a C02 emissions tax, a general transactions tax, and a financial transaction tax, which, in my oh-so-tyrannical fashion, as per usual, would reduce individual and business tax revenues by at least 50 percent, though probably closer to around 75 percent. Currently, government is the enemy of the environmental movement, and it will remain that way until we can practically reconcile economic freedom with ecological wisdom.
     
  10. Professor Peabody

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    Just stop the clear cutting forest the size of England, Scotland and Wales every year. Taxing will do nothing but hurt economies and make people poor.

    STOP CLEAR CUTTING THE FORESTS!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I agree with REDD efforts, Professor Peabody. In case you do not know what REDD stands for, it is essentially stopping deforestation efforts and promoting reforestation. REDD policies are currently being put in place in Brazil according to their most recent regulations governing forestry activities in the Amazon. Guess what? They work, and that is a good thing.

    With that being said, I am also a believer in a carbon dioxide emissions tax as the most effective means of combatting negative externalities from C02 emissions without shifting costs onto the consumer or onto inputs of production, and for some reason, this aspect of my approach to combatting global warming/climate change is completely overemphasized when I put it in the context of my broader taxation policy, which is returning the constitutionality to taxation through the imposition on three excise taxes, including this one, to be used as a means of generating the same revenues as current local, state, and federal taxes, which can be eliminated, alleviating individual and business tax burdens by at least 50 percent, and probably closer to around 75 percent, which would also make the IRS obsolete. That is hardly making people poor; that is providing them with unprecedented disposable income, which will in turn improve the economy and return US real output back to potential output. Again, I believe in economic freedom and ecological wisdom, but both need to be pursued practically.
     
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    regardless, nothing Ob am has proposed will do anything to affect the CO2 content of the atmosphere or change future temperatures more than a decimal point in the next few hundred years except

    - hurt the GDP and make America weaker
    - Reward the president’s allies, political supporters and campaign supporters using public money for their benefit.
    - Punish his opponents, and punish the opponents supporters.
    -Enlarge and empower the federal government and make us more dependent on the government
    - When the programs make ordinary Americans poorer, create another program to redistribute money from those who don’t support the president to those who do.


    so please progressives stop with the this is for the children hypocrisy BS, just man up and admit it is nothing more than Chicago politics by your figurehead president to reward his puppet masters for letting him play president and allowing his wife to act like she is some sort of pretend Jackie Kennedy
     
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    Ask a real scientist. Not one on a grant or government payroll. In one day, Mount Pinatubo released more CO2 upon the earth then all of mankind could in 4 years. How many days did that volcano erupt?

    Keep your heads in the sand. You are an embarrassment to humanity.
     
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    obama isnt interested in serving the American people. Hes clearly not doing that.
     
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    Did ya notice the visual effects of the speech? Obama with sweat pouring off of him and constantly wiping his head? Nice effect. "Darn, it's hot!" Could have had it indoors, of course.....but then they'd have had to turn the heat on instead of the air-conditioning. :wink:
     
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    Is there any problem, real or hyped, that this government doesn't claim the solution as involving either the raising of taxes or the forcing of increased costs to consumers - or both? Talk about one-track minds...
     

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