Why Australia should scratch the F-35 and fly Sukhois?

Can I see the link to the article where 2 F-35's shot down 8 Typhoon in combat? The problem is all jets have a limited number of land range and medium range missiles, they will all need to engage the enemy and why they do they will get ripped apart by basically evey other jet out their. They are as I see it in boxing terms the F-35's are ambush fighters, they are great on the outside using hand speed and a powerful punch to hurt the other guy, but they can't fight inside. If they come up against a pressure fighter which can take their punches from long range and keep moving forward they will lose.

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Or a war this Russian over the Arctic. Where they US is sticking it's nose in.

 

Or a war this Russian over the Arctic. Where they US is sticking it's nose in.[/QUOTE]the russians have been very good at accepting UN mediation over territorial claims, recently coming to an agreement with Norway. Russia has made no claims on Canadian arctic territory or it's resources, it is a full participant in UN talks regarding regarding each countries arctic sovereignty.

 

Da. Australia marches in lock step with the USA, and the US agenda is pretty anti-Russian. I think it relates to Russia's continued resistance to Jooish economic slavery.

 

It would not be Australia where such a battle was waged. It would be Taiwan or Japan or perhaps the Islands of Indonesia.

In reality the purpose of any Australian Air Force besides protection of their own air space....would be to help support any American Naval Operations in the event of a HIGHLY UNLIKELY full scale war.

This is highly unlikely due to the MASSIVE size and unmatched capability of the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet that has 5 to 6 Nuclear Nimitz Class Carrier Groups in the Pacific at all times.

Each carrier can carry up to 90 mixed use aircraft or 120 Super Hornets aboard and as well each carrier has along with it 2 Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers, 3 Guided Missile Destroyers of the Arleigh Burke Class and 2 to 4 Attack Subs in a combination of Los Angeles and Virginia Classes and a combination of Ammunition, Oil and Supply Cargo Craft.

In the event that U.S. Forces were say...engaged in an all out conventional war with North Korea...Australian Aircraft would be asked to defend the flank of American Naval Forces should Chinese Navy or Air Force craft attempt any attacks upon U.S. Supply Lines or the like.

When really looking at this the U.S. Military is so big and so well equipped that such help would possibly not be needed but knowing it is there helps.

As well...in such a war...U.S. Air Force Heavy Bombers such as B-2's flying out of Whiteman or large wings of B-52's flying out of Diego Garcia and Guam...and B-1B's flying out of possibly Japan...would absolutely OBLITERATE any and all targets.

Currently B-1B's are being fitted with an all Wing and Belly Air to Air Missile Rack which allows the B-1B to carry over 90 New High Velocity Heat and Radar guided Air to Air Missiles which the F-35 and F-22 can launch using their advanced targeting and acquisition system.

So if the Aussie Air Force was working along side the U.S. Air Force...the Aussie F-35's could use their targeting systems to launch these B-1B Carried Air to Air Missiles thus allowing a single Stealth Aircraft to kill a possible 98 targets.

AboveAlpha

 

We can pretty much close the thread now. Someone has figured it out

 

I think we should knock off work, grab a beer or 10 and all go fishing.

 

What kind of drivel is this?
Russian fighters is a omplete story of success.

F-22 and especially F-35 is a story of a big hype to suck out money from the sick economy. A trick for ennchanted spectators and no real breakthrough. PAK FA will press down the F-22. SU -35 S and SU-35 BM is a complete terrifying song for f-35.

you don't even understand what you re talking about.

F-35 is a bad construction invented to garner money over american people and allies.

 

The joke is on all of you, by the time all the F-35 and all it's variants are sold and delivered, and a few F-22's to boot the US will be controlling the skies with some kid in a darkened room with a Wii controller. ROV's that take 8G's are already on the drawing board, all the new 5th gen planes developed by India, Russia and China are going to be so much cannon fodder. And don't forget that more important than the airframe is the ordinance, last I heard we still have about 100 k advantage in range, maybe twice that. The new Sukoi is a great triumph for a Russian/Indian arms, but only if they are not fighting an American or it's allies.

 

Delirium

 

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Yeah! LOL!

If everyone notices the Russian T-50 on this chart scores 3 points higher than an F-22 Raptor! LOL!

And if you believe that I have a Bridge in New York for sale! LOL!

Over many decades and looking at many aircraft made by Russia and the United States ONE THING has become very apparent....the American Aircraft have ALWAYS been superior and have easily destroyed the Soviet and then Russian aircraft out of the skies! LOL!

As well it is the PILOTS that do the flying and during and after the war in Bosnia it has been thoroughly discussed by many pilots from many countries about how the top of the line at the time Russian Fighter aircraft that were heralded by Russia to be far superior to the at the time over two decades old American F-15...were completely and totally dominated by the American Piloted Aircraft as MiG's and other top of the line Russian Aircraft were blown out of the skies.

The F-22 Raptor has been flying for about 20 years now and was designed in the early 1990's. Still...it is far superior to the new Russian T-50 and even if it wasn't...the American Pilots flying it would still be able to defeat the Russian aircraft due to superior tactics and experience.

AboveAlpha

 

On the contrary US fighters have never been superior to their Russian counterparts!

 

Yugoslavian wars...
Old planes, terrorised serb pilots, traitors in the Yugoslavian Army, put off serbian anti missile and air defence systems...

This is your way of making war?

 

We have no conceivable threats to our security. We live on an island. We have big allies. Nobody would dare attack us, and if they tried - we have 23 million people and significantly better military technology than almost any other country on Earth.

We shouldn't have a standing army in any form. We shouldn't have a single troop overseas. We shouldn't be in Afghanistan. We're fighting for foreign interests.

We could save 24 billion dollars per year if we stopped subsidizing the military companies. We could have saved 40 Australian lives and 256 Australians from injury by not going to fight the United States' strategic war (that benefits us in no way), and not a single Australian would have been harmed as a result.

With that 24 billion we could have given every single Australian in poverty $8391 per year. I'm a Libertarian, so I'd advocate tax cuts, but this puts into perspective the massive waste we've spent serving our foreign masters.


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What we should have done instead is legalized gun ownership and encouraged responsible use - as in Switzerland. We should have created a strong culture of communal self-defense. This would pay for itself entirely, and at the same time increase our gun liberty and community cohesion.

But instead we send our countrymen to their deaths so that the United States can have greater influence in what President Eisenhower called "the most strategically important area in the world".

I'm sick of our country being vassals to others'. First it was to the British, now to the Americans. Can't we be free? :/

 

[video=youtube;QSnh7RtC1oQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSnh7RtC1oQ[/video]

Indonesian Air Force had 3 Su-30MK2 in service in 2009 and additional 6 are to be delivered in 2013 from Russia. Sukhoi Su-30MK2 fighters are "4th generation" fighters with no stealth capability while the F-35 Lightning is a fifth generation stealth fighter and the F-35 is stealthy enough to hide itself from the Su-30MK2's radar. Russia provided Indonesia with a seven-year export credit that is worth $399.5 million to promote the Russian fighters but Australia has no reason to purchase Russian-made aircraft by ditching Lockheed Martin.

 

F-35 is a tool to fob off on weak nations which the US call allies their own iron will. Know nothing of canadian. australian, and british pilots. I presume there are many good fighters among them.However being clinched in evidently shoddy F-35 will lead them to lose airfights.

BTW I've never heard in my life about soviet/russian claims to Australia, Canada, New Zeland, and even UK.

I don't understand what are these countries fight for being involved in american russophobia together with US army which has it's own tasks?

 

Does it?

http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/article-indonesian-air-force-sukhoi-fighter-order-116422348.html

Two questions come to mind.
Why would the Business Spectator lie and what threat to Australia is there from Indonesia?

 

Not in this Universe! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

Wake up, buddy!

Russian air superiority is nearing.

 

Is there a name for this Fantasy World you are living in? LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

Certainly the so called advanced F-35 is a total failure of the American air designers.
As contrast the new SU-35 S is nightmare for the pilots who‘re going to run F-35.

The Su-35 is a Mach 2.4 (nearly two and half times the speed of sound) aircraft while the F-35 is limited to Mach 1.6. According to Victor M. Chepkin, the first deputy general director of NPO Saturn, the new AL-41F engines will allow Russian jets to supercruise – fly at supersonic speed for long distances. By not having to switch their afterburners on, aircraft are able to save a lot of fuel. Translation – non-supercruising fighters such as the F-35 and F-18s will be at a huge disadvantage against the Sukhois.

So obsessed were the aircraft’s designers with stealth that they ignored or sacrificed fighter basics such as range, payload and speed. The thinking was stealth alone would be enough to keep the JSF ahead of the pack. However, even as the Americans were perfecting stealth tech, the Russians were developing new combat techniques against it. They are now experimenting with new radar that can pick out stealth planes.

Colonel of Aviation Grigoriy “Grisha” Medved, a former Russian fighter pilot, says the worst part of the F-35 is a very hot engine – 160 Celsius hotter than standard combat jet engine exhaust. “It makes a very bright star in the sky and a long jet plume,” he says in a study for Air Power Australia.

 

Although the F-35 has some issues to be worked out...and they will be...it is clear in the fact that even though these issues have delayed the F-35 countries such as Canada and Australia and others have no issue waiting for the F-35 due to the capabilities of the aircraft.

Since jet vs. jet combat exists well below Mach 2...the ability of the Su-35 to obtain velocities of Mach 2.4 have no effect upon such Jets combat engagements as well the combination of Stealth, Advanced Avionics, Targeting and Extremely accurate and lethal U.S. Air to Air Missiles allows the F-35 the luxury of being able to target and destroy multiple Su-35's at the same time and such targeting is done at distance without the Su-35 pilots having any idea that they are about to be shot down.

You could have the most agile plane ever built but if you don't know you are being targeted as well can't target your enemy...what good is such agility.

You are making a failed argument.

AboveAlpha

 

It's not me who makes this comment. This is professional designer who says it.

Anothe valuable comment on the wreal which you call I don't know why an aircraft:

Russia has adapted technology developed for detecting ICBM launches, to air combat fighters, says Medved. This technology enables Russian fighter pilots to see a standard fighter at about 50 km; by 2017 it will allow them to see stealth fighters at about 150 km. Because such radars are passive, the enemy will have no idea they are being watched.

Sorry for canadian and australian pilots who cannot choose for good air fighter just because they 're not free to buy whatever they want!

 

And how many of these mighty Su-35 s has Russia sold to other countries????? ZERO!

 

You are ill-informed.
There is contract with China for 24 for one.