Greed vs Envy

Parrots do.

 

Yes. Absolutely one can.

 

That doesnt reflect US labour history, US workers had to fight to get a living wage. You seem to forget that labour markets like any other markets are naturally imperfect. So labour cannot simply switch to somewhere that pays better or simply do work that is a little more valuable. Thats esp. so when one speaks of workers in the millions.

Now, being an economic expert like yourself, you should know this. But you dont..why?

 

Greed: Having enough is having it all.
Envy: I want what you have and if you don't give it to me I'll take it from you.
Enjoy!

 

"Parrots do."

Taxcutter says:
Indeed you do.


"Yes. Absolutely one can."

Taxcutter says:
That attitude must be furiously resisted.

 

"...US workers had to fight to get a living wage..."

Taxcutter says:
Striking or simply working elsewhere are completely valid means of negotiating an acceptable wage. Enlisting government to impose pure inflation on the consumer is not.

 

How much is "all I need", he makes that determination?

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Yes which is why thievery is illegal. In a civilized society we are free to earn as much as we can and not have someone come along and steal it from us without facing legal sanctions.

 

ROFL oh it's because of the United States, how delusional. Cuba trades with many many many countries, the United States not trading with them is the least of their problems.

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And where has government done better and I would remind you that both the industries you cite are HEAVILY regulated by government.

 

Worked for me. Works for most. What doesn't work is using government to satisfy you needs and envy.

Now, being an economic expert like yourself, you should know this. But you dont..why?

 

Yeah, Taxcutter, why don't you know this?

 

I'm entirely aware of it. I'm also aware that trying to dragoon government into doing your dirty work is wrong.

 

This one part you are correct about. So why is your side doing this? Or do you not realize that you are supporting the side that supports the bankers who are devaluing the dollar?

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Right, so why do you suport it?

 

"...so why do you suport it? "

Taxcutter says:
I don't support it. I just can't get the Big Government Democrats and RINOs out of office just yet.

 

Really? Then why have effective taxes on the very rich (the real taxes once loopholes are taken into account) been cut in half during the last 3 decades? I wish I could get that good a deal on my taxes. And what about capital gains write-offs, business losses deductions and exemptions through trusts on estate taxes?

 

Blah blah blah I know where this thread has gotten itself so I'll just say what I always say:

The steps to a fair but non-Darwinian wealth distribution:

1. Stop giving subsidies
2. Abolish current tax law
3. Enact a flat negative income tax

Boom. Done. You can thank me after you've gotten over your stupid notions of "equality" and actually tried it.

 

Uh no, political power is as useful and productive and moral as any other kind of political power, owners of capital have always weilded political power in their interests. Therefore it makes sense for labour to do the same.

 

No, while indeed it works for some individuals with certain skill sets in certain industries it doesnt work for most. For example, a coal mining town's working populace cannot all be working for the mine owner one week then the next week all be selling cup cakes as an additional earner. Nor can they immediately increase production without significant prior investment in technology and training.

As for government satisfying needs and envy etc, it patently does work. Government has been effective in stabilising wages and employment across generations and making the workplace increasingly safer and fairer. The troubles we find ourselves today are those born of our successes rather than our failures.

 

"...it makes sense for labour to do the same."

Taxcutter says:
Then it makes perfect sense for taxpayers and consumers to resist it as much as possible.

 

Nope.

 

Fair enough, real world examples youd like to point us to? Switzerland perhaps? Russia?

 

Envy and greed are basically one of the same. Can't have one without the other. Both are just emotions.

 

Resist what?

 

Resist letting government getting recruited into the collective bargaining transaction.

 

Indeed, except that taxpayers and consumers are mostly composed of labour participants, so it becomes impossible for them to vote against their own interests. Instead they vote for their interests.

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Or propose that government get recruited into the collective bargaining transaction.

 

So do you support strikes, collective bargaining and unions or not?