Russian Flags Raised In Ukraine's South- How Far Will This Go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine
are you saying that percentages make the majority rule ? since russians are only 17 % of the ukraine

so in the usa the the Mexican population here need to go back to mexico if mexico has a confrontation with the usa?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American

 

Except the US is a sovereign nation now, as is Australia, borders placed nationality established.

If you are born in Ukraine you are Ukrainian, not Russian, if you want to be Russian pack your bags and go to Russia.
You can't just take back land because the nation no longer wants to be your friend, that is what you call a act of war, and being childish.

Russia has no legal rights to Ukraine's lands anymore, they owned it 2,000 years ago, they don't own it anymore, if they wanted it they should not have given it away.

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No but this does not give Mexico the right to take sovereign land from the US.


My concern come specifically with these "Russians" claiming this land, its not Russian land its Ukrainian land.

If these people are so concerned with being identified as Russian and want the land to represent their nationality, go to Russia its a short trip. Don't steal land from another country.

 

ah i thought the American indians had all the sovereign land in the usa, before the Europeans landed on the shores..

 

They did, but it was a different time and a war, took place. (As one sided as it was)

The land was conquered and a new nation established.

If Russia wants to go to war with Ukraine over this land, so be it, but its just that a act of war, and they will be conquering the land, not liberating it.

 

did we liberate the indians? or put them on reservations..

 

No we killed them in a bloody one sided war.

What kind of question is that? To find fault in my character?

Every country has a past, some good some bad.


All I'm saying is Russia is going to war with Ukraine for not being the good little boy it was before.
Russia can do so if it wants too, that does not make it right or just.


Just as Britain did to the Indians, and the US did to the Indians later down the road.
These are blemishes on our history, just as this should be seen as a blemish on Russian history.
The unlawful conquering of a sovereign nation.

 

They did until they began making deals and trade land with the white man to off their enemies. Then they became authors of their own fate.

 

oh i see now russia is liberating the russia Indians from the hostile gay feminist cowboys eu types in the Ukraine, a noble cause in my view..

 

So you believe war is okay because people have a differing view then your own?

 

Haha. Hilarious.

It is not only ethnic Russians in Ukraine who identify with Russia. It is also ethnic Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine. They speak Russian at home. They are as much Russian as Russians themselves. They want to be together with Russia. They not going anywhere. All the soldiers and police in East Ukraine do not obey Kiev anymore. They obey the pro-Russian civilians in those areas. They dont care what you or the hypocrite West thinks.

A Ukrainian battleship raised the Russian flag WHILE ON EXERCISES WITH NATO. How embarassing is that! Why?! Because they want to be with Russia. Eastern Ukraine is basically Russian like any Russian city. They all speak Russian, have Russian culture and traditions.

Yet someone like you comes along and tells them to move from their home! How about you move from your home and give it back to Native Americans!

 

They want to take land from a nation. That is a act of war. If the population of Ukraine was mostly pro Russia then I would assume that they would vote pro Russian but they don't.

You can't just take land from a country because a % of the population identifies with being Russian. What if Americans flooded Russia and 50 years from now with their American culture and English speaking ways laid claim to lands owned by Russia?

 

i recall another invader being greeted as hero's.... 1938 Sudetenland, the more astute forum members will recall how that ended up...the rest of you will still be clueless...

 

poor indians ..dame those lawyers tricksters railroad men conmen i bet they stirred up trouble between them indians back then , like the usa and evil EU nwo that started riots in the Ukraine a few months ago

 

war.. civil war..oh yah terrorists russians like Geronimo all bad for the majority of the Ukraine

 

if there were direct assaults on ethnic Russians there would be a case to be made but there isn't...if parts of the Ukraine democratically decided to leave I would support it...

A bit of irony here, Russias's brutal genocidal repression of chechnya in its quest for independence...

 

To all members who are confused why Russian Army is defending Russians in Ukraine and why East Ukrainians are in a hurry turning to Russia for help.


This is a video from Kiev. A famous Neo-Nazi "Sasha Beliy" armed with AK-47 comes into government buildings , threatens judges and prosecutors. and tells them he will do whatever he wants and that law enforcement have no authority!

[video=youtube;TMpm2q4tfOk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TMpm2q4tfOk[/video]

That is not all! He was given a position in the new illegitimate government in Kiev

and no I am not done, in 1990s he fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and personally destroyed Russian tanks and killed 6 Russian soldiers.


Now do you understand why Eastern Ukrainians and Russians are nervous? This neo-nazi can invade a court room, get an official post in new government and call for Chechens to kill Russians.

Ask yourself, why in the hell should Russia tolerate this animal?

 

You can keep posting things that happened 250 years ago, but I like to think the world is a little more civilized then it was back then.

I also think we should be a little more afraid of conquering lands that don't belong to us, and sparking a third world war. You know sense that whole atomic bomb thing exist now, and things equally or worse than them.

Also I don't share the view of my forefathers. Russians are using this VERY ideology today, in the modern era.

 

Russians didn't flood Ukraine. They were always there.

Are you blind? Majority of Ukrainians voted for Pro-Russian government and pro-Russian "Party of Regions". Victor Yanukovich was the elected leader of Ukraine, elected by majority of Ukrainians. He was overthrown by radical and neo nazis.... Wake up!

 

Actually yes, in a lot of cases; many small tribes would have been wiped out by their enemy tribes if they hadn't been protected by the U.S; the Osage, for one, were driven up against the Mississippi River and on their last legs from Sioux attacks. Many of the early northern tribes were wiped out in wars with the Iroquois Confederation before anyone saw a white man here; the Huron were reduced to 300 or so. Many small tribes survive today because of U.S. protection that would have been long gone otherwise.

 

turning you old culture upside down with gay and feminists isnt a assault? this wasn't a direct attack on putin? [video=youtube;NCdRjntnX5c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCdRjntnX5c[/video]

 

It won't be WW III, but yes, the Russians have been very fond of expansionism for a long long time, and regardless of ideology or what kind of government, and they still are. The U.S. really doesn't have to lift a finger, just watch and talk a lot as it becomes clear Putin is cutting his own throat with this over-reaction.

 

And here we are, at the heart of the argument. You believe that the Ukrainians wanted him even though the protest started with his Pro Russian BS. He was removed by HIS governments parliament. I will not argue with propaganda, it is very pointless.

 

ok heres one last year now is that civilized to you?

 

This is why I think Russia is invading Ukraine.

Russia is going to make the US look like cowards.

Russia is going to bully the Ukraine into doing what it wants and the rest of the world is going to sit by and let it.

I can't entirely blame Russia.

Ukraine is a Geopolitical stronghold of Russia, it has provided Russia with the ability to apply political pressure to the EU/US for years losing such a key player in their politics would be devastating to them.

I see this no difference in how the US will not allow for political change in countries like Israel/Libya/Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan/Costa Rica/Panama/etc, they are pawns for our country to use to apply pressure to countries along their borders.

If Ukraine was to join the EU, it would lose the buffer between it and the EU.

My question to this is, Russia has said sense 1992 that it wishes to join the US/EU in forming a safer more unified world, then why fear such a change, would it not allow your people to see how the other side lives and perhaps begin to bring down the wall that has kept the US/EU separated from Russia?

Ukraine was suppose to be one of Russia closest friends, but they would rather suppress their people rather then find cooperation with them? They were "Friends" when the friendship benefited them, but now that it won't, they are enemies?

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No, did I agree with these women trying to assault someone? I don't believe I did, but you can continue to try and stick words in my mouth and look foolish.

 

all i am trying is to get threw to you that this isn't onesided russia against the ukraine, this was a drum roll to this point in time the eu and the usa are behind the feminist and gay agenda movement and putin is very aware of it. he putin has to draw a line and say enough is enough, like the American Indians did at little big horn..