Russian Flags Raised In Ukraine's South- How Far Will This Go?

No all you're trying to do is make me look foolish, and I haven't given you that pleasure so now you resort to equal-ism to try and make you seem less aggressive then you were.

If you wanted to make that connection why not say so from the being instead of probing me for negative information? And getting non I may add.

I don't disagree with Russia protecting its culture, but Ukraine is not Russia, "Russians" may live in Ukraine but that does not make Ukraine Russia, and they are free to have their own ideologies and culture. Just as Russia is allowed theirs.

 

You got THAT RIGHT!! LOL!!!

Putin is looking like a Tin Plated Dictator of a Third World Country!!

I was watching a few Russian Diplomats today talk to members of the media and they WERE EMBARRASSED AS HELL!!! LOL!!!

It was like they were CRINGING every time a simple question would be asked of them as they KNEW what the very next question was going to be and they just did NOT want to be there taking the heat!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Was wondering how Putin is cutting his own throat. Honest question, not a dig.

 

I don't think you know the history in that part of the world. Russia has always been looked on by Orthodox Christians as their protector from the West and the Turks, and the majority of the Ukrainians are Orthodox Christians. The only people in Ukraine who hate Russia are those living in the Western part and who were under Rome. I think they should leave and give Ukraine back to the people it belongs to.

 

I know you did not ask me but I would like to answer anyways.

Putin knows Russia needs massive Western Corporate Investment for the Russian Economy to turn around.

Russia has a measly $2.2 Trillion Economy vs. a $17.7 Trillion U.S. Economy and the E.U. all together generates the 2nd Largest Economy a bit more than the $6 Trillion that China Generates.

Now...CHINA sure as HELL is not going to be investing in Russia....and the E.U. believes that Russia is too unstable a Business Environment....and after Putin arrested a few Russian Private Oil Company CEO's and took over the Oil Companies and made them Government Owned which means....PUTIN OWNED....the ONLY Nation currently that will do business on this scale with Russia is the United States.

Putin knows that he cannot mess around with U.S. Corporate investments in Russia because if he does the United States Corporate World will BLACK BALL RUSSIA to the point NO ONE WILL DO BUSINESS with Russia as long as Putin lives.

It is the United States Oil Industry that is working with Russia and had been working with Private Russian Companies to develop a cost effective method to extract Oil from Siberia....an area with ZERO INFRASTRUCTURE and it is 99.9% American Corporate Planning that has allowed ANY RUSSIAN OIL to come to market from Siberia.

IF...IF....Putin goes too far in the Ukraine....it is possible that many American Companies will pull out and it is not like there is any other companies waiting to replace the American One's.

Even British Petroleum....BP....a Corporate Giant got burned by Putin and has refused to increase any more developmental cooperation with Russia until the business climate there is more stable.

The FACTS are...Russia is not even CLOSE to being an Economic Superpower as Russia ranks BEHIND THE SINGLE U.S. STATE OF CALIFORNIA....Economically.

Facts are Russia is no longer anywhere near being a Military Superpower as even if Russia still has some Nukes...WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT?

Russia can't use Nukes unless it want's to be wiped off the map and there really is no scenario where Russia and the U.S. would ever again show down with Nukes.

However....Russia can bully it's neighboring former Soviet Block Nations that are NON-NATO as Russia fears all former Soviet Block nations will form alliances with the United States and NATO as many already have.

AboveAlpha

 

ok i try again so heres a photo now dont you think putin and russia are threaten? and need to keep a buffer say the ukraine from infecting there culture?

 

I'm always awed at the brilliance and logic of the Russian diplomats, and appalled at the stupidity and spins by such as Kerry and the rest of the administration. If they cringed, it was probably at the flagrant lies that were being spitted out without any qualms or any sense of right or wrong.

 

Yeah it would be nice to have that buffer, but killing people and stealing land to maintain it? You believe that is correct course of action?

 

as my russian friends tell me...Russia is owned by gangsters and run by gangsters...

 

why not?what about small portable suitcase [video=youtube;gUBb4cunagA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBb4cunagA[/video] types blowing up nato bases in Europe, and blame it on terrorist. art of war deception.

 

Where the HELL did this come from Jeanette?

I am talking about Russian Diplomats on TV today looking very uncomfortable and outright embarrassed as they had to answer questions about why was Russia sending in Tanks and Troops to a country because they were changing Politicians? LOL!!!

We are not talking about Russia sending in forces to protect Russia from Terrorists or protect Russia from an invading army.

We are talking about a sovereign nations people deciding to go with a different form of Government and different leader.

This kind of stuff went out in the early 1960's.

AboveAlpha

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Putin is the Godfather!!

AboveAlpha

 

buffer or more like last stand against the eu usa globalist hordes of indians.[video=youtube;JJZmoAsf0jU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZmoAsf0jU[/video]

 

The thing with Nukes is they have to be constantly maintained as Nuclear Fuel degrades over time and in any Thermonuclear Bomb you have two different Nuclear Fuels as Fussion of Hydrogen Atoms requires a Fission Reaction to first take place.

There is not a single one of these Suitcase Bombs that would even detonate as they have not been maintenanced and none of them has had their fuel replaced...thus they cannot achieve proper Fission to then achieve Fusion.

They are big PAPER WEIGHTS!!

AboveAlpha

 

I'm amazed at the stupidity of people. Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine, it only wants the parts of Ukraine that want to be with Russia, and that is the Crimea and the Eastern section. It's the Nazis in the Western part of the country that want all or nothing. Ukraine is not one country, it is two countries so isn't it better if it splits up?

Anyway I knew that the Crimea means as much to Russia as California means to us, and that they would never let it fall into the hands of the E.U. Especially considering that an expansionist Turkey with a megalomaniac at the helm is trying to grab a chunk of it, and who also feels he has a better chance of getting it if it is part of the E.U. This is why Turkish intelligence shipped trained Tatar jihadists from Syria to Kiev. Now if I know these things, then how stupid can our government be.

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China claimed that it will veto any proposals of sanctions aganist Russia in UNSC and fully supports Russia's position regarding events on Crimea and Ukraine. Plus some chineese diplomats said that actions aimed on "reducing US's geopolitical ambitions" are expected to be taken by China soon. E.g. several sources state that chineese government had negotiations with Turkey recently and convinced it to block NATO warships from coming through Bosfor and Dardanelles

 

Ohhhh...of course!!! How could I possibly be so naive!!???

I mean....it would sort of me like.....because a lot of American's visit Cancun Mexico....then it is OK is the United States just ANNEX A PART OF MEXICO.....like we did when we ANNEXED NEW MEXICO AND TEXAS back in the 1800's right!!???

Cause in the year 2014 NOTHING say's you care more than INVADING AN ENTIRE NATION CAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE REMOVAL OF A POLITICIAN THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION HATES AS THIS POLITICIAN WAS FORCEFULLY PLACED INTO POWER BY PUTIN!!! LOL!!!

COME ON!!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

No we are talking about an illegal government which was not elected by the people, and was chosen by the U.S. and E.U. and that now has Nazi gangs running around Kiev with guns and intimidating people. Doesn't our news media ever tell the American people the truth? Does everything have to be manipulation?

Do you know that our chosen one in Kiev is afraid of the Ukrainian army so he has hired mercenaries, and you're trying to tell me that this is the Ukrainian government? By whose standards, yours or Kerrie's? It's the people of the Ukraine that asked for the Russian army to protect them. Is that so hard to understand? I know that even the Greeks in Ukraine are frightened and applying for Russian passports.

 

Suppression of the Ukrainian language[edit]
The Russian government promoted the spread of the Russian language among the native Ukrainian population by actively refusing to acknowledge the existence of the Ukrainian language. At the same time, most Ukrainian literature was printed in Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Alarmed by the threat of Ukrainian separatism influenced by recent demands of Polish nationalists, the Russian Minister of Internal Affairs Pyotr Valuev in 1863 issued a secret decree that banned the publication of religious texts and educational texts written in the Ukrainian language[9] as non-grammatical, but allowing all other texts, including fiction. This ban was expanded by Tsar Alexander II who issued the Ems Ukaz in 1876 (which lapsed in 1905). All Ukrainian language books and song lyrics were banned, as was the importation of such works. Furthermore, Ukrainian-language public performances, plays, and lectures were forbidden.[10] In 1881, the decree was amended to allow the publishing of lyrics and dictionaries, and the performances of some plays in the Ukrainian language with local officials' approval. Ukrainian-only troupes were, however, forbidden. Approximately 9% of population spoke Russian at the time of the Russian Census of 1897.
The Soviet government adopted a policy of Ukrainization. Ukrainian cultural organizations, such as theatres or Writers' Union, were funded by central administration. While officially there was no state language in the Soviet Union until 1989, Russian was in practice in a privileged position, implicitly because it was the only language widely spoken across the country. The Ukrainian language, despite official encouragement and government funding, like other regional languages, was often frowned upon or quietly discouraged, which led to a gradual decline in its usage.[11] From around 1960s all dissertations were required to be written in Russian only and submitted only in Moscow. That caused most scientific works to be written exclusively in Russian. Studying Russian in all schools was not an option, but the requirement and later in 1980s the teaching of it was ordered to be improved.

LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

Russia has historically oppressed the Ukrainian people and has attempted to basically steal their country away from them.

YOU...love to deny history.

AboveAlpha

 

No indication at all that a new Ukrainian govt. will break the agreement over the naval base, for one, just Putin trying to intimidate a govt. he doesn't control any more, and pandering to ethnic Russian nationalism among some locals in the area. If these cretins are so unhappy about Ukrainians running the Ukraine, they're free to leave; if they try for a civil war, the market for Russian oil and gas will dry up within months and that is basically what is propping up Russia's military modernization program and it's 'economy', such as it is, and already hurting from price drops, just to name two, plus wiping out and gains he made re rapprochement over previous years; tossing spitballs at the U.S. only goes so far as a popularity gimmick, and does nothing for his influence on the people behind the scenes who make the real foreign policies in the West and elsewhere, and those people are far smarter and devious than Putin is. Outside of the nuke card, Russia's military isn't much to worry about, despite all the noise about 'WW III', and there is zero chance he can play that card, at least without being found at his desk dead or suddenly shuffled off to an obscure prison cell and never seen again; he has his own oligarchs and enemies to worry about, after all, and those people don't suffer idiots well when it hits their pockets. These are just some 'issues' at stake here, and bluffing won't help him gain a thing. It was a stupid move, and posturing in the media is worthless.

 

The Ukraine is where Europe get's a LOT of Natural gas piped from and Putin and Russia are SUCKING THE LIFE BLOOD out of the Ukraine as Putin treats the Ukraine as if it were still a SLAVE STATE of the Soviet Union.

Basically....RUSSIA IS SCREWED.

And the really SAD thing is it didn't have to be this way.

We offered Russia our hand in Partnership but Putin was just too driven by the past ideologies of the Soviet Union to take our hand.

Russia could have been well on it's way to becoming a Wealthy Oil Rich Nation as we offered to help Russia develop the necessary infrastructure and using American Oil Extraction Technology....Russia would RIGHT NOW be pumping out huge amounts of Oil and Natural Gas out of Siberia.

Instead....Russia is being seen around the world as a 3rd World Country with a Tin Plated Dictator.

AboveAlpha

 

Ukrainian crisis started when locals got to decide to who they will surrender their sovereignty.
Not leaving your people to the claws of IMF/EU is hardly aggressive or imperialist. Do not forget that Crimea was gifted to Ukraine by their rightful owners .

 

Yeah...cuz those DARN EUROPEANS trying to pay for Gas and Pipeline use...DOG GONE IT!!!

Don't they know only RUSSIA can take Money from the E.U. for Ukrainian natural resources?

PATHETIC!!!

AboveAlpha

 

there are no tanks and the reason is different

 

Europe will shift to other sources if a civil war breaks out; it will have to, as those pipelines will be prime targets as will be the pumping stations, or they will simply wean themselves off over months as a means of not feeding the Russian military machine. Some amazing new bulk gas ships are coming out that can carry gas in huge quantities from off-shore wells along with new large scale liquification tech. A slow down or stoppage in natural gas shipments will only spur on further development and conversions to gas cargo ships, pipelines to N.Africa, from the ME, ships from the North Sea wells, etc.

 

And THIS....is why Europe is NOT investing any more money in Russia.

AboveAlpha