Poroshenko shows to everyone who is in charge in Ukraine " Jets, helicopters and sold

Poroshenko shows to everyone who is in charge in Ukraine " Jets, helicopters and soldiers storm facility taken by the terrorists , and refuses to negotiate with "bandits".
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europ...netsk-airport-rebels-2014526142059732379.html

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27578440

 

I think it's wrong to use military force against your own people. You do realize, these "terrorists" are using the same if not more mild tactics than your pals did when THEY revolted.

If they are terrorists then your government was installed by terrorists who you yourself support.

 

there's no `own people` there.
Now there're russian soldiers on our territory

 

The right answer to pro russian local alcoholics and fascists.

He will manage the issue if he is

harsh
brutal
and clear to that scum.

 

The military attacked Ukrainian separatists. If they're not your people how could they be separatists, and how could you insist that is Ukraine?

Not to mention the civilians slaughtered.

Ukraine even slaughtered their own soldiers! It's on video!

When did the Russian soldiers come? Did this happen today? I didn't check the news yet today.

You can support an oppressive crackdown against your own people all you want, but don't sit here and lie about what it is.

 

http://www.ostro.org/general/society/news/445696/
Only 8 of 43 wounded terrorists are from Ukraine.
All the others are from russia

And about 8 ukrainians - they are `peaceful` terrorists with RPGs.

 

You know this is an English-speaking forum, right? So what is that figure based on? Is this just what Kiev authorities claim?

1) Terrorists by definition attack civilians. What attacks against civilians have they launched? Armed combat with open weapons and insignia against other armed combatants is NOT terrorism. This is such an overused word used to deceive and demonize so much it's nothing but a trite buzzword. Though it does apply to the Kiev military, who did indeed attack civilians, earning them that title.

2) What weapons should they use? Foam darts? Squirt guns? They're in the wrong for having RPG's, are your side not using tanks and choppers?

3) As far as peaceful, the Kiev military initiated the combat. Not the other way around. They journeyed East in order to fight, and carry out an "operation" even though they only just agreed to de-escalate violence with the international community. They breached peace and initiated battle, not the other way around. So don't try to trick people about who the peaceful ones are.

 

A land is not a candy which you can give and get back at your will. Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine and until at Kiev there was a pro-Russia government there wasn't all this separatism in that area [wonder why ... because Moscow wants a united Ukraine under Russian control, nothing more simple than this].

A free Ukraine is a concept too difficult to grasp for some minds at Kremlin.

This said, if a foreign power endangers your sovereignty on a region of your country .... what will you do?

Kiev had to do this: to demonstrate that it's ready to use the force.

Now, it's all on Russian side. As I was saying in a similar thread: will Moscow use its Army [still or no more "Red"] to impose its geopolitical domain?

 

I am afraid, this will make the relations of Ukraine with Russia even worse. If Putin feels that pro-Maidan forces are wining, it very likely, Russia will fully come into play and then it will take just maybe several days to kick out Kiev military forces out of Donbass.

 

I speak in English at this forum. That's just a link to Ukrainian official media.

they kidnapped civilians

Peacful protesters in Kiev did't have PRG and AKMs

Wrong.
Terrorists came and captured buildings and started kidnappings.
that defines them as terrorists

 

So tell me in English the evidence then... Is it just the say-so of your government to claim it?

Same with the Kiev authorities.

And the police did not use helicopters, tanks and artillery!!!

No it doesn't... Such frivolous use of the word means nothing. Fine then, they are "terrorists" which means nothing now.. Maidan occupied buildings. Was that wrong? Were they terrorists?

This is a civil war in which the Kiev military drew first blood and initiated battle.

I never claimed the separatists were peaceful protestors. The truth is actually that they are armed combatants. You can call them militants, or rebel fighters. If they engage armed military targets, wear an insignia and carry their weapons in the open, then they are lawful combatants.

But everybody these days just goes and always calls the other soldiers on the other side fighting their own soldiers "terrorists".. Terrorists are the guys that go do suicide bombings and blow up busses and babies, okay? I'm only telling you because it's not good for your credibility to use such buzzwords so frivolously.

 

I told you that. In English.
And yes, it's just claim of authorities.
If you don't believe. then listen to the russian medias

Lie

of course not. against peaceful protesters

Kidnapping and seizing the buolding - that are the `terrorism` definition

 

Of course I don't believe it because they lie.

They abducted several journalists.

By February it was armed revolt.

You're missing the point. It's armed combat, so why are you complaining about RPG's? That is a standard, everyday weapon featured in virtually every conflict.

What should they use, foam Nerf arrows? Blow bubbles at them? It's war! I've never seen a war or battle in which one side complains that the other side has weapons too. Don't forget you're using planes and choppers.

So Maidan are terrorists. You seem to forget the current government gained power by occupying buildings.

By the way that is NOT the definition and show me a single place where it shows that.

Terrorism is intentional and systematic violence directed against civilians. Nothing short of attacking civilians with violence is terrorism, or at the very least threatening such, but it must be AGAINST CIVILIANS.

Not soldiers.

Show me a definition otherwise, that includes burglary or even any case of kidnapping. Maybe if the kidnapping were for ransom and they broadcast it on a camera threatening to saw the captive's head off. THOSE kidnappings are terrorism.

 

That's lie.
There were no weapons at maidan,

they didn't seized buildings. The `profunion` building was lent.

Terrorists in donetsk not just only kidnapped people, thay killed them

 

`peaceful` protesters from neighbouring country

 

+1..........now they try own medicine

 

What you are telling me is that anyone who takes another person as a prisoner is a terrorist? Aren't terrorists those who terrorize people by killing civilians randomly...which by the way isn't that what the Ukrainian army has been doing in the cities of Eastern Ukraine? Therefore shouldn't they be the ones who should be labeled terrorists, and not those who are fighting to free themselves from a despised government in Kiev? I find it demonic to manipulate people's minds by using the wrong terminology so that black is being made to appear white, and white as being black.

I know the new president said he will sell everything he owns except his TV station. It seems he plans on maintaining his mind control over the Ukrainian people as they suffer the extreme hardships of the IMF terms.

Are you saying now that anyone who doesn't use PRG and AKMs are peaceful? I wouldn't consider the people beating up police in this video as being peaceful protesters, so again isn't the word being deliberately misused in order to form a wrong opinion in people's minds? Again isn't this mind control?

[video=youtube;Pkzi6-zz55M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkzi6-zz55M[/video]

 

If I'm Putin,I'll lunch full attack,without any doubt!...Just to show NATO,don't ever again mess with me!Of course,I'm not Putin.I wonder why?

 

yes.
If at least they are organized, armed and siezied buildings

 

The Russian Imperialists love to yell about how Fascist and anti-Semitic Ukraine has become, and yet they just elected a half-Jew for their President.

 

what do you know about military strategy , Putler has only 35 000 t , in Donbas live 7 millions

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+1....................

 

How many citizens in these areas were allowed to peacefully go out and vote? vs...being threatened at gunpoint.. polling places smashed.. lives threatened and so forth.

terrorists.

bombs coming. stand by...

 

utterly false.

the Ukraine army has never attacked unarmed peaceful civilians.

 

Most of these 7 million support separation from Western Part of Ukrane. Donbass, Lugansk area already voted to be a separate state. So if Regular Russian troops comes, people from Donbass and Lugansk region will support them.