Italian anti-fascists in Donetsk.

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I asked you because I notice that you do often put as reality things Russia is working towards so of course I was interested in how you saw a European war in the next couple of years.

    Really I would say we currently have moved from US instigated happenings to Russian ones. Everyone seemed to have been a bit slow over Ukraine would you not say and so Russia had Crimea before people had time to catch their breath, quickly followed by destabilisation in the East leaving the Ukraine Government with two unpalatable choices - to leave alone and lose more territory or go in and risk civil war.

    Anyway lets get back to the topic and as Russia seems at the moment to be the one holding the steering wheel, which obviously may well not continue, but as she is, let's see what her plans are following the course she is currently on. This is within the framework that Russia is seen to need to have an Empire for survival. That Empire comes from the Eurasian Union and her main enemy is of course the United States. This then is the Russian intention.

    Frankly I do not see Russia achieving this is a year or two and likely not at all. I am imagining what you have written is your belief of American response to Russia's actions.

    We are entering a different phase I give you that, but I do not see it working out the way you wish...and of course Europe is already making alternatives to Russian Gas so that she can avoid that bullying.

    http://euobserver.com/news/124414
     
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    yes, Russia still appears to drink anti-Semitism from mommy's milk.
     
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    You just said you peed on Putin and burned Lenin. So, which is it?

    In either case, it's got to stink up in there. That's not healthy. Better open up a window and get some air.
     
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    Putin, Stalin, Lenin...what's the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing difference?

    ;)
     
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    (laughs) That's it - the western culture. Urinate around - is a Western tradition. For example Russian ambassadors, in the 16th century, wrote in Moscow that the King of France "stinks as wild beast!" Even accustomed to constant stench surrounding his birth, King Philip II once fainted when he stood at the window, and the passing carts wheels to loosen tight perennial layer of filth. By the way, this king died of scabies ...! She died from the same and Pope Clement VII! And Clement V died from dysentery. One of the French princesses died from lice! You keep the traditions.
     
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    Firstly, I'm not a fan of Dugin. 2. I do not believe in opportunity Europe do without Russian gas. All article banal political PR. Gas is not only heat. Gas is a chemical industry and much more. Russia is interested in the peaceful development. At least 10 years. But I think it will not. Look at the crisis in Ukraine. Why was it necessary to make a coup d'etat? A year later, the U.S. could easily put its president Ukraine. The legitimacy of the president. Save Crimea as part of Ukraine. Do not have a civil war. Just had to wait for 1 year. Why was it necessary to go to Ukraine Western politicians and foment situation?
    If you look at the situation in Ukraine sober, you'll see whose ears stick out. Russia is interested in the uninterrupted transit of energy resources in the EU . Russia does not need chaos in the Ukraine. Question - who needs? The second question - why could not wait 1 year? Probably because there nay year to solve their problems. There are several phases of the collapse of the U.S. economy. I sure you know them. Still try to formulate them:
    Phase 1. Speculative crisis. The first phase of the fall of the DF and the real estate market, the flight from stocks and real estate in the commodity futures and gold. The devaluation of the dollar, inflation slowdown.
    Phase 2. Economic downturn. Continuation of falling markets, stagnant production, beginning of the decline of commodity markets, the movement of dollars in T-bills, reducing the yield of T-bills, the revaluation of the dollar, zero inflation.
    Phase 3. Consumer crisis. Massive defaults and bankruptcies population, a sharp reduction in costs, the collapse of the consumer market, deflation, acceleration revaluation of the dollar.
    Phase 4. Crisis of production. Industrial crisis, investment crisis, massive bankruptcies, layoffs and wage cuts, increased consumer crisis. Continued fall in all markets - stock, commodity and real estate. Acceleration of deflation acceleration revaluation bucks.
    Phase 5. Budget crisis. Trying to stop the economic collapse and offset a sharp drop in tax due to the rapid growth of state. costs based on pyramidal foreign loans, a revival of the economy, deflation nekotroe inhibition, stabilization of the dollar.
    Phase 6. Hyperinflationary shock. Starting geopolitical conflict. Artificial promotion hyperinflation. Depreciation of direct government debt, depreciation of pension obligations, a significant reduction in real spending budget, a significant reduction in the debt burden of the population, reducing the cost of personnel and increase the profitability of the business, the concentration of the entire national ownership in the hands of the financial elite. The collapse of U.S. T-bills. A temporary increase in the stock and commodity markets, the real estate market. Hyperinflation, repeated devaluation of the dollar.
    Phase 7. Global economic collapse. Development of global geopolitical conflict. The collapse of national economies collapse or stop all physical markets, the destruction of international economic relations, regional and civil wars.
    I think we are now at the end of the fifth phase.
     
  7. alexa

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    whether you are a fan or not is irrelevant. This is the policy Russia is following. Much of what you say is in line with that policy so I am not sure whether I believe what you say there.

    no, but Europe does
    No it is not. You can find articles similar to this all over the Internet. If you study them you will see that this is indeed what Russia is doing. Dugin is now one of Putin's key mentors

    Russia uses it to manipulate and bully to get her political way - also one of Dugin's suggestions for action. She has done this for years in Ukraine

    That is a gross over exaggeration.


    This is yours and Russia's propaganda. Ukraine has been wanting to move towards the EU and away from Russia for years and the reason is that she does not want to be part of an authoritarian union where she is inferior and which is anti human rights. Having had access to information and study in school for years she has decided that the direction she wants to move in is one of democracy and human rights. She believes the EU c an provide that for her. Ukraine has been under domination for 300 years.

    Look at this

    http://euobserver.com/opinion/124118

    A Ukrainian acivist's call to the EU to listen.

    Dugin has even been in the East training insurgents. Don't try and pretend this man whose message is the most listened to by Russian authorities is propaganda.

    There is one reason and one reason only that Ukraine is in the mess it is in today and that is because it wanted to join the EU not the autocratic Eurasian Union. Dugin's is the message Putin has taken on and is following. Check out the articles at the site of the one I listed. You will even find an article from Dugin explaining how this is now as it is. So quit your imaginings of what the US is going to get up to. The country we will be watching and keeping at arms length is Russia. You know the score. Your posts tell it.

    (I won't be able to get back tonight)
     
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    I think Putin's policy is extremely peaceful. He does not need to be afraid of war with the West. As Machiavelli said - war can not be avoided, it can only be postponed for the benefit of the enemy.

    Although I am not a fan of Dugin. If this is true, then it is good. Anyway Dugin much better than buggers-liberals. I did not know that Dugin presidential advisor. You have pleased me.

    So what? What surprises you? You expect that Russia will give their bowels free? U.S. takes advantage, of the dollar as a reserve currency. For a long time by that enjoyed England. You're not at the rally. Why write nonsense.
    Western stereotypes very funny. Western media talk about abuses of Stalin, but why is silent about a Jew Lenin and Jew Trotsky. Why?
    Western media talk about the "horrors" of the Gulag, but why is silent about the death camps Eisenhower. Why?
    Western historians talk about "terrible tyrant" Ivan the Terrible, who for all his reign executed from 4000 to 7000 (according to various sources) people. But why is silent about that at the same time, just for one night (St. Bartholomew) be killed 30,000 people. Why?
    Western propaganda says - Russian savages. But does not mention that the Russian ambassadors to the court of Louis XIV wrote about French king that their majesty "stinks as wild beast." Themselves as Russian throughout Europe considered deviants for what they went to the baths.
    Spain's Queen Isabella of Castile proudly admitted that washed only twice in my life - at birth and before the wedding!
    Daughter of one of the French kings died from lice. Pope Clement V dies of dysentery, and Pope Clement VII painfully die from scabies (as King Philip II). Duke of Norfolk refused to wash their religious beliefs. His body was covered with ulcers. Then the servants waited until his lordship dead drunk, and barely washed.
    More recently, in the early 20th century, London merged night-soil,sewage into the Thames. And in the days of the literary character Sherlock Holmes, the streets of London were scrapyard garbage.
    But Western propaganda calls Russian wild. Why? (laughs)

    "Gazprom" predicts that gas consumption in Europe in 2020 will grow by 12.5% - 16%. I hope you understand that this is not a PR? Under these projections developed gas fields.

    (laughs) What? Coup can be termed as something different?
     
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    anti-Semitic hate speech reported.

    disgusting how you guys accuse Ukraine of being Nazis, yet keep making Nazi-like comments.
     
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    Jews financed the Nazis in the Ukraine. For example Kolomoysky. You expect that the Russian will say - thank Jews?
     
  11. Lapista

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    You are right. But what I really do not get:

    Howcome that they so much think they are the kings? They did get beaten up once from us, now such people again think all would be easy...

    Where is that arrogance coming from? I guess they will have to get the lesson again.

    Wikipedia:

    The Soviets possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks. The Red Army, however, had been crippled by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin's Great Purge of 1937.[34] With more than 30,000 of its officers executed or imprisoned, including most of those of the highest ranks, the Red Army in 1939 had many inexperienced senior and mid-level officers.[35][36] Because of these factors, and high morale in the Finnish forces, Finland repelled Soviet attacks for several months, much longer than the Soviets expected.[37]


    The moral in the russian forces today are worse than in 1939. They are almost unable to deal with Dagestan. So I wonder what do they want here.
     
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    so, you want WW3?
     
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    What made you to make this idiotic conclusion?
     
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    Russia annexing more parts of Europe will lead to another European war.
     
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    That is why exactly?
     
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    Because you are not alone?

    May be others will unite against you? Never though about it?
     
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    I doubt that that Euros are going to die for someone else interests. Besides, we have enourmous expirence in fighting Europe combined and kicking it's ass.
    Oh, and don't forget that:
    [video=youtube;mumQ5a4tDSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mumQ5a4tDSg[/video]
    [video=youtube;REch529LjsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REch529LjsY[/video]


    Face it, nobody is going to risk their own existance for the sake of a tiny (*)(*)(*)(*)hole on Russia's bordes. So I guess those (*)(*)(*)(*)holes should be carefull at showing agressions towards Russia.
     
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    It seems some morons in West really think to become winners in WWIII.

    Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/In...Barack-Obama-POTUS-140614-352.html?show=votes

    The same in Russian: http://inosmi.ru/world/20140616/221047008.html

    Probably Obama's administration has already bought a consignment of leady underpants for their employees. Though I do not exclude the fact they just have leady brains.
     
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    watch us.

    defending Ukraine is not aggression towards Russia.

    that's Hitler's logic.
     
  22. Lapista

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    Russia wont be able to get here . with or without support. Russia was not eaven able to fight Chechnya. Big mouth, arrogant demands, nothing behind.
     
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    Why would we need to "get there"? Just firebomb the cities.....
    That is why it is independent khaliphat now...oh...wait a second.
    Sounds more like one of those Baltic (*)(*)(*)(*)holes or Finland. Or Israel.

    If I have to describe them in one word it will be "irrelevance". Or "impotence".
     

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