Italian anti-fascists in Donetsk.

The only country still called empire is Great Britain. In fact there are three real empires today - Russia, China and USA of course. All three has ambitions.

 

orthodox-nazi-communists! =)

i even find a photo:

 

I hope you are not referencing the United States. Our politics are far too disorganized to be called facist or anything else requiring any guiding principle whatsoever.

 

You forgot to add imperialists to the group.

 

Oh gosh, you hit it on the button.

 

notice the Communist star in their flag?

what a surprise.

 

Of course "some people in Europe" could, you can find them on this forum.... Pretty much all 25 of them, western neo-nazis and western uber-liberals/communists....they are indeed on the side of russian fascism and imperialism....the idiots from these movements never miss a chance to be on the wrong side of history, keep them Pronin, they are all yours.


That you find like 5 Italians representing an organization no one has ever heard of sharing Russian views merely underscores the fact that the remaining tens of millions of Italians would not p|ss on Russian nazi aggressors and occupants and their pro-Russian criminals and thugs in Ukraine if they were on fire.

 

No doubt, stars on the flags are the iron proof of communism. The more stars on a flag, the more communism in the country.

 

I have Italian citizenship... I wish these brave young men the best of luck, they are going to need it

 

Italy is a large consumer of Russian gas and Italians are the only foreigners allowed to adopt Russian children. I can't really go into details since it has never come up for me before, but I think you are mis-characterizing Italian-Russian relations.

 

OK things are beginning to make more sense now. This is indeed the land of double speak. Said Italian antifascists are fascists working for Russia and in particular Dugin against Europe.

It is time for genuine non neo nazi's and non fascist Russian supporters to start paying attention. You are choosing your side and it is fascist. As information is given you cannot continue to take your stance without admitting you are supporting neo nazism and fascism. Sorry for being blunt but being angry about the Iraq war and American droning is no excuse for supporting this. As I have said before this is all about the Russian desire for the Eurasian Union in which she is supported by European fascists working to destroy the EU and bring this fascism right across Europe. The destruction of Ukraine is the first step in that goal.

http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/italian-fascists-from-millennium-ally.html

videos of the conference can be found at the link given. They have English subtitles (I haven't watched yet)

 

I do remember a crazy criminal Berlusconi who was part of the Mafia and for that, he takes care now for old people - and he is in prison, no?

That guy was the best friend of Putin...sure.

But apart from this weird paradise bird, I cannot see any italian to be so mad to go into wars thousands kilimoeters from Spaghetti and Balsamico to fight for some russian fascists...

This is all crap. Nobody absolutey nobody from Italy is going there. Simply a made up story. Italians are decent people with sense for good whine (the second best worldwide!) , nice food and a great style of living....no way they go to a war like that.


The whole story does stink as nothing else than a made up story from some boored birds in the US or Russia.

Apart from great italian living style...they are very bad warriors and unable to fight anything. So absolutely not trustfull such story. I rather would believe if you mention the fighters are from Greenland or Monaco than from Italy....

 

It is not made up by "boored birds in the US or Russia". It is genuine. See my post 37. All the European far right are friends with Russia working on destroying the EU and replacing it with the fascist Eurasian Union. We all have such people in our countries. Thankfully normally they are a small amount. Far more dangerous imo are the large sway of people who are supporting Russia because of their anger at the War on Terrorism. Only by acknowledging what is going on, including European far right fighting in Ukraine can we hopefully get them to look at what they are supporting because in general that is not what they want. The destruction of Ukraine is Dugin and Putin's first step in this process. Europe is to follow.

 

On second thoughts a strong danger also comes from those people motivated to vote in the far right anti EU parties, not just because the anti EU parties are working to weaken and destroy the EU but because their followers are buying into their message which will eventually become a Eurasian message - due to their links to Russia and this being their leaders intent.

 

Dear Alexa,

tell to my russian friend vis what I tell him since weeks and he doesn't believe it: european neo-nazis and extreme right wing are the friends of Putin! Also btw former german communists and ex german KGB services...

About these fighters I simply do not believe that italians - right wing or not - sitting in their comfortable chairs and eating mescapone with espresso are intrested or willing to join juch civil war in (to their taste) such a babarian place...I do know italians a little. I could imagine german neonazis to do such stupit thing, but not italians. They are simply to lazy - that is not ment as insult.

But I might be wrong.

I just thought: the whole story is a joke.

Cheers

 

After the english will leave the EU (Scotland might leave the UK and stay!), all will become easier, believe me.

De Gaulle was right to veto the english. Very important now that Merkel will not anymore compromise to the english. I want her to be their new iron lady. they will like it ^^

Cameroon: "we want our rabate, we want no Juncker! We want our extra saussage!"


Merkel should answer: "Nein Nein Nein! (NO , NO , NO!)"

Merkel can exactly turn british antieuropean spirit to turn against the brits the style Thatcher did it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4



I do have to say: The EU should focuss on integration more than on becoming bigger for some years. Without Cameroon and these idiots around him, the EU will progress.

Now I recognized you are scottish... hahahaha...



OK: seperate from England and stay with us! Your referendum will be in ? For Scotland staying, I would be wiling to say: "let's lose in football against the english."


Merkel will be Cameroons iron lady!

I do differ between scottish and english in that.

 

No, no joke, the only joke was saying they were anti fascist instead of fascist supporters of Russia and Dugin.

Of course Russia and the European far right are bosom palls. They of course were the so called 'independent observers' for the Crimean 'referendum'

It would be silly to underestimate the work which Russia is putting in with the far right wherever she finds it in Europe

http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...rriage-of-convenience-with-european-far-right

This article is worth a good solid read by everyone

A couple of points

1. That the EU observers on the Crimean Referendum were the far right and that Russia made a point of keeping quiet about that for her Russian audience - not surprising really. I believe before Crimea Putin was not very popular. (It also illustrates the lack of credibility in the democracy of the Russian Parliament.)

2. It mentions that one of the ways in which they work together is in trying to create Europe as a neutral country - hence for instance allowing Putin to get his way in Syria. Here I think is quite a problem for Europe if it does not open it's eyes. Many, many people, myself included have been extremely critical of the 'war on terror' of the US. However, we now find that this has created a situation where people are almost mindlessly supporting what Putin is doing in Ukraine which is destroying it because it does not want to join the Eurasia Union. They believe every word which Russia engineers - that Ukraine's revolution was the creation of the US for instance when there in no basis for this. In this way you have people who generally are anti fascist supporting fascism.

Please, please read that article as it illustrates what is happening at the moment and it is something which affects us all.

 

(laughs) Yeah. Yes. Impose new sanctions. Eg closed entry to the U.S. to someone. Or in EU.
But Russia will return their land because residents themselves wish to become part of Russia. Everything will be voluntary. I gave you a link on how, for example, the Finns want to become part of Russia. Here is another example. Thousands sign White House petition for Alaska to secede from U.S. and become part of RUSSIA... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Alaska-secede-U-S-RUSSIA.html#ixzz34Wn3aIMl If there are problems, "polite people" will help to solve them. You are behind the times. Smart people choose Russia

 

Bolsheviks were not so crazy as we can think. They have added ethnically Russian territories in the structure of Ukraine at 1920s for neutralization of Ukrainian nationalism. This system worked well while the USSR existed..

Molotov suggested to Stalin to create Galician autonomy in Ukraine, after the adopting the Western Ukraine at 1939. Stalin has refused to do it as he hoped to integrate Galicia with other part of Ukranians. If Stalin would agree to create Galician autonomy we would have less problems with Ukraine now. As after the disintegration of the USSR ethnic Russians have become hostages of Ukrainian nationalists. The main mistake of bolsheviks is they thought communism and the USSR will exist forever.

If they foresaw the disintegration of the Soviet Union, they would create Ukraine as the federal republic, consisting no less than three autonomies: Novorussia, Malorussia and Galicia. In this case, Ukraine would have a chance to be disintegrated by civilized method like Czechoslovakia for example. But since Ukraine is unitary state, nationalists in Kiev will not leave ethnically Russian territories without blood. It's obvious.

 

Dear Alexa,

I am not certain why (may be based on some common education and socialisation we both have) , but I 100% agree on all you say. That does not happen that often. The point is that my english is not as yours and you before did not exactly get me.

Your warnings I do constantly tell and they are exactly what I did observe.

I could not have said better:

They are not antifascistic, they support fascists, the fascist goverment in Russia and its intrests.

The answer to all that should be:

* EU must help eachother to reduce gas delivery and the potential to be blackmaled.
* Poland must really feel from top to bottom that Germany is NO risk to them, that my country does back them 100% and that on their western border they do face a really pro-polish positive feeling country.

the Ex polish president Kascinsky is dangerous by pronauncing his need to tell how much he hates Germany. That is not helping in beeing in a coalition - most polish disagree with him, but that confuses very pro polish sentiments here.

* insteat of using american fraking gas or polish coal, we should focuss on windfarm and solar energy.

* I do not want an army to be able to invade, but Germany should double or triple its military budget from now on.

* The Snowden NSA story has to be solved. Germans do feel very offended by that spy activities of Britain and the USA. Such sentiments are not helpful in finding a position to Russia. Spying on allies is unacceptable and can NOT be excused. By no argument, never. It is like to figure out that your best friend did betray you with your wife.

* Putin only does understand a harsh and taff language. Germans will have to understand that they must use an other tone. We are to nice to russian fascism, to naiv, to careful. Putin does laugh about such weakness. Nothing wrong Merkel beeing more an iron Lady here.

* The EU has to solve it's own problems. So much radical voting is no good for the inside stability. It is wrong of germans to fear so much the investment in the EU, it is wrong especially not to invest in the education of young southern europeans and it is also wrong to respect young greek people to tell that germans are Nazis, because they do refuse to finance greek millionaires...

Just my 2 cents mom.

 

crazy all the hate speech coming out of the supporters of Russia, huh?

its like they have become the new Nazi Gerrmany.

 

Do you want to tell me that people would be that "smart" to chose Russia and to change freedom and welfare, democracy and tolerance against your dictatorship?

The finnish are never doing that, the polish not at all either and the Baltic countries...never ever. If russians think Germany could allie with them, will get by that idea a harsh NEIN! RAUS! as answer (NO! OUT!) and that's it.

If Russia uses military as it did in Crimea in Germany or Poland, you will see a big geran army striking back, backed by all Nato. I cannot imagine Putin beeing that stupit.

Germany is not Ukraine. Germany is a power, perfectly integrated in NATO and EU, high tech arms, good support from all friends...Russia would lose such try for sure: Russia cannot be in confrontation with all Nato members. The bear wil be killed by attacking 30 wolves and an other bear, the USA.

You are dreaming. Forget that - nobody than some other disturbed dictators in the 3 world as Belo Russia will join you.

 

if Russia invades Finland or Alaska it will start WW3.

 

Ronstar: do not forget that this is a forum. Reality is also more about realistic people.

...but...you are right in one point indeed: russians are fare more nationalistic than others. Also often less informed. They really do not know, that Russia is the aggressive part and they would easily often believe, that also lets say Germany must be liberated from fascism so the russian army has to get here...I am sure, 70% of the russians would believe that if you tell them that story.

I would not say that Russia can be compared to Nazi Germany. I would rather say to the ex USSR what was nothing else than an instrument (the USSR) to push russian nationalism. Most russians do never leave the country. They are deeply confinced that their goverment must be always right.

Critics like in the USA are absolutely unusual. I was strongly oposed to the Iraq war and Bush. If I would have said such thing about Putin in Moscow, I would still be in prison...

The main difference between west and Russia is:

I think you are conservative. I am left wing. But I would defent your freedom of speech on all costs it might take. And I know you would do that about me, no matter if you agree on my viewpoint.

That is western consensus.

Russia does not have such consensus. THAT is the difference and what makes it impossible (to me) do see them as our partners).

 

He did not say about invading of Russian troops in Finland and Alaska. He said about the voluntary joining of these countries into Russia. Read closely posts of interlocutors.