What sin has God condemned you for?

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When one notes a trend, or continuous and repeating action...it is logical to assume it will continue.

    It is likely the sun will again rise in the morning...so I can assume it will.
     
  2. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Is it really 'logical' to assume anything?
    "as•sume (əˈsum)

    v.t. -sumed, -sum•ing. 1. to take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate; posit.

    2. to take upon oneself; undertake or accept: to assume responsibility.
    3. to take over the duties or responsibilities of: to assume the office of treasurer.

    4. to adopt (a particular character, quality, mode of life, etc.): to assume the role of patron of the arts.
    5. to take on; become endowed with: The situation assumed a threatening character.
    6. to pretend to have or be; feign: to assume a humble manner.
    7. to seize; usurp: to assume control.
    8. to take upon oneself (the debts or obligations of another).
    v.i. 9. to take something for granted; presume. "

    BTW: The sun does not rise... the Earth rotates, giving the optical effect of the sun rising.... unless of course you are a 'flat Earther' and believes that the sun does in fact rise and set. Rise up out of the nothing at the end of the Earth and set into the nothing at the other end of the Earth.
     
  3. FreeWare

    FreeWare Active Member Past Donor

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    There are no gods - so the question is moot
     
  4. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    What? Jesus was raised from the dead by God. Angels weren't involved.
     
  5. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Clearly there is something wrong with the Bible when the followers of said Bible all have contradicting beliefs. Is the Bible that poorly written that it has resulted in tens of thousands of differing denominations, tens of thousands of differing interpretations and millions of followers who can't agree on simple passages and what really happened?

    Insane.

    Surely the one true religion would be one that stands firm against contradiction and conflicting interpretations among its many believers?
     
  6. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    No more than people having contradictions with the writings of Plato,
    Shakespeare, Azamov or Huxley. People have trouble leaving things
    alone and making them hard to understand for whatever reason.
    The Bible is considered one of the best pieces of literature ever
    written so being poorly written isn't the problem. As I said previously, it's
    people and what they do to things that muck up the waters. They
    manage to get followers who listen to them instead of reading for
    themselves. The Reformation is a perfect example. The Catholic
    Church had turned a simple belief into a monstrosity and people
    who were educated and could read took the church to task and
    some were killed for it.

    At any rate, it's not the Bible that's the problem it's the people who
    for whatever reason want to change what's written. Maybe for power.
    Maybe for attention. Maybe out of ignorance.
     
  7. junobet

    junobet New Member

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    The Bible is not one piece of literature but a whole library of many pieces of literature:

    [video=youtube;mo-YL-lv3RY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&index=1&list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi[/video]

    That said: Yes, back in the day the Catholic Church surely would have preferred to be the sole Church and the sole authority to interpret the Bible. (In the face of what some of the weirder Protestant sects make of it, I sometimes think it may have had a point. ;-) ) However: These days we tend to embrace pluralism and it’s a bit strange that secular of all people, who think of themselves as highly enlightened, should have a problem with that.
     
  8. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    I didn't call it a single piece of literature. I said the Bible is considered
    one of the best pieces of literature.

    Perhaps you learned from me that the Bible is 66+ books and
    documents written by some 40+ authors over a period of about
    1,500 years.
     
  9. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Wouldn't it be nice if God had the power to write his own book and present it to us in person? Why that would take care of so many problems we face already, like if there even is a god.
     
  10. Incorporeal

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    Read 1 Corinthians 1: 10 through the completion of the chapter. It speaks about seeking signs (such as your suggestion above).
     
  11. junobet

    junobet New Member

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    I learned to make that a big plus behind the 40 authors and to knock off a couple of hundreds of years concerning the period.
     
  12. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    First, it's 66+ books and documents written by 40+ authors over a period of
    over 1,500 years who were inspired by God. Second, He did.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Ahahahaha, that's funny! You should do stand up!
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Then produce evidence to the contrary.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    maybe that means don't blame Jesus for the Sins of his father.... for his father is not perfect, suffers from jealousy and rage.... Jesus will protect us from the evil old man....
     
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    Can you produce evidence that Zeus, Odin, Xenu, or an invisible pink unicorn didnt inspire the bible?
     
  17. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    So you seriously think that all of the books were complete units completed so long ago? >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Do you have contrary evidence?
     
  19. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    I do.

    What language was spoken in the East?

    If complete back then and English was yet to be invented, where and how did English names get put into them?

    Those had to come way later and thus shows that the myths were not complete in the distant past as you suggest.

    Regards
    DL
     
  20. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I thought you were serious and had some real evidence and
    not just your opinion.

    Alas, I won't make that mistake again.
     
  21. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Yes. You mentioned myths and provided hypothetical questions,
    unless you meant them to be rhetorical.
     
  23. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    Before God chose me (it is said we do not chose god but its the other way round') I tried other religions hoping to find one that would be a religion of 'truth'. It was like a 20 year journey starting when I was 16 or 17. First I was an devout atheist, while atheism didn't have any answers to the big questions it was not a guiltless lifestyle. So I looked around, and seeing that uncle sams army was sending me to an area where Buddhism was the number one religion I tried it and loved it. I practiced Buddhism for over two years, until it too left me empty. Then dabbled in Islams version of how things really are. And others. Now you probably know the Christian God forgives ALL sins, but God is not the problem. The other guy is. The problem or problems may number in the thousands. I got into witchcraft and practiced it longer than any other religion. Please do not confuse wicca with LeVay satanism which is just pure self indulgent BS IMO. I never got into sacrifices, I might of practiced the black arts but stopped short of hurting anything living on purpose. Anyway the bad thing is that I invited demons to help as part of a 'black' ritual. Maybe it was gray magic lol, It wasn't meant to physically hurt anyone. I wanted their help to secure the love of a girl. Man I wanted her so bad I asked for demonic help! Back then I was naive and dumb enough to think I knew how to protect myself from bad things (such as using a magic circle while casting spells etc). I was WRONG. Anyway that girl... she was way out of my league, perfectly beautiful, blonde and rich. Hell she was out of everyone league, and worse she got married at when she turned 18 to a mutual acquaintance. So as I said I asked for demonic help, and long story short I got it. I got the girl, she came to me and moved in for five years! That is the only time in my life that I messed around with a married woman. Her hubby was running around on her too but still I was WRONG. Anyway now she is gone and I still have my demonic friends, at least I think I do. And that is unsettling to say the least.

    Well you asked me,,,,


    reva
     
  24. Polydectes

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    None, I am Christian and I believe that Chris's death paid the debt for my sins, thus through Christ I am saved from condemnation.
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    ??

    Two separate concepts that have nothing in common.

    We are talking of myths and all questions would be hypothetical, --- in the way I use language.

    I cannot see how a question could be rhetoric. The answer could be.

    Regards
    DL
     

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