Obama is NOT an "anti-war" President

Great article describing the prevailing neo-con/Republican delusional mindset on the so-called "anti-war" President who has been bombing one Muslim country after another while toppling a democratically elected government on Russia's border.

Apparently, they are not satisfied with Obama's multiple military interventions and conflicts. They want MORE.

And why wouldn't they? They are bought and paid for by the military-industrial complex.

So, let me hear more about how Obama has been "sitting on the sidelines" in places like Somalia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Yemen, and Venezuela. I need a good laugh.

 

In 2008 during the primaries and then the presidential contest itself I pointed out to foam-at-the-brain-pan Obama supporters that if they stopped with the legs tingles producing Obamagasms and actually paid attention to the words coming out of Obama's mouth he was telling them up front that their Political Messiah had every intention of being a rather nasty sort of war president. They of course labelled me a racist. Ironically I and they were ardent war protesters (well as posters anyway) at the time.

But then Obama became president and then they finally HAD to hear what he was saying, and the moment it dawned on them that he fully intended to remain engaged against Iraq for at least the next year and a half and essentially NEVER withdraw from Afghanistan, mysteriously ALL OF THEM ceased being war protesters over night.

So it's not so much that Obama is a war monger of a president but that unlike G.W. Bush, Barack Obama is a very bad and utterly incompetent war monger of a president. He specializes in avoiding victories and in turning any victory that may occur anyway -- despite him -- into a defeat farther down the road.

 

Obama is opposed to wars that violate America's national, political, and security interests.

 

There is no anti-war movement. If there were, it would have protested Obama's Drone War against innocent third world villagers.

 

Virtually every war that Obama is involved in violates America's national, political, and security interests.

 

There is an anti-war movement, but the MSM pretends like it doesn't exist and gives them absolutely no airtime. But they can have Dick Cheney on five different talk shows...

Anyway, the anti-war movement is basically being kept alive by libertarians and non-phony progressives like Chomsky and Greenwald, but it's much smaller and much less prominent than when Bush was President.

www.antiwar.com

 

Agreed. And sadly, the only thing he's worse at than waging war is waging diplomacy.

 

I wonder if "Dreams of my father" included terrorist attacks in Kenya, killing people just because they were Christian???

The only thing my imagination can come up with, is Obama is trying to create chaos, to take credit for ending chaos, but has absolutely no idea how to end something he created. Any rational explanation, would say, he is getting results he intended, but that would mean he really does want the US to fail....

 

Yes and one has to give him credit for consistently being incompetent and just plain bad at everything he does except for campaigning for office. Apparently that's his only real talent.

It does raise a side issue though, and thereby motivates one to ask in regards to his STILL foam-at-the-brain-pan supporters . . . is this the sort of Political Messiah that they really thought they were getting back in 2008 when so very many of them were experiencing those politically-patented legs-tingling Obamagasms?

 

It seems that the anti-war movement can be turned on and off by someone for partisan political purposes.

I like Greenwald. He seems like someone who lives by his principles.

 

Well certainly once Barack became president it stripped away all those citizens who were anti-war ONLY because G.W. Bush was president, thereby leaving Cindy Sheehan and myself all alone in this great big ol' U.S. of A.

"Where or where have all the ardent war protesters gone?
Where oh where can they be?
With their integrity cut long and their tolerance for needless warfare cut short?
Where oh where could they be?"

Hint . . . one WON'T find any of them among Obama's supporters . . .

 

Bush wasn't a "very bad and utterly incompetent war monger of a president"? Are you sure?

 

Well, the Democratic component of it can be, but there is still an anti-war movement in America, albeit much smaller than when Bush was President. Pat Buchanan is actually rather well-regarded in that community.

Without question.

Here is where he writes now: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/

 

Of course G.W. Bush was a warmonger of a president. We had utterly no pressing need to invade Iraq and we should have withdrawn from Afghanistan within months after engaging that nation. But although an rump-hole of a warmonger when all was said and done Bush (or rather Rumsfeld and Cheney and their generals) didn't do all that badly. Obama was the one who screwed up what they 'won'. But so far as presidents go, both Bush and Obama are lower in my estimation than whale feces . . . and that stuff sinks all the way to the bottom.

 

I didn't see any victory while I was in Iraq. Must have missed it. I saw a stalemate, which was characterized as a "win" by people like Cheney and McCain.

And it was the Bush administration's idiotic decision to disband the Iraqi military that caused the dissolution of Iraq and the emergence of ISIS. That's all ISIS really is, are disaffected Sunni Baathists and their transnational affiliates.

 

It's called Cognitive Dissonance. If the Right acknowledges Obama as equal among War-Mongers, their whole fragile infrastructure of Hate collapses. The human response is to double down on the stupidity of current beliefs.

 

Yes of course, millions and millions of people voted for him. There remain millions and millions still in favour of him.

And most of his supporters arent anti-war per se. Afghanistan is still a popular cause.

 

Whale feces, yes? I wouldn't waste good p-iss if either Bush or Obama were on fire. But then I hold grudges.

 

So . . . it's stealth anti-war on the part of Obama supporters because . . . ? I mean nobody ever hears from these supposedly ardent anti-war Obama supporters. They just auto-rubber stamp any and all of Obama's war activities. So . . . when did that become anti-war?

 

Beginning with McGovern 1972 or perhaps even with Humphrey when he ran against Nixon 1968 the vocal anti-war crowd tended to be more democrat than republican. It is no surprise that with a Democrat in the White the anti-war crowd would shrink and be a lot less vocal. There are very few Dennis Kucinich's who would buck their own parties president when it came to supporting a war, Libya. I think we need more people like Kucinich who stuck to his ideals regardless of which party occupied the white house.

Let a Republican in the white house and you will see a big growth in both size and vocal in the anti war movement.

 

I beg to differ on Afghanistan being popular.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...afghanistan-war-rises-as-combat-mission-ends/

If you read the above you will also see if it were not for Republican support for the war in Afghanistan at 56% for the war, only 31% of Americans now support it. 35% of independents support it and only 31% of Democrats do. Nationally it is 38% and 56% against or believe it wasn't worth it.

 

You dont want to fight in the country that held Al -Queda training camps?

 

Its not absolute anti-war then is it?

It comes down to motive, no one beleived GWB had a reasonabe motive for war, they beleive Obama does, especially as he is keener to act in common with others.

Face it, why would anyone trust GWB or the GOP on war?

 

yep, he also tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan, which is why more than 2/3rds of all casualties from that war happened under Obama's presidency (in the same amount of time mind you)

 

his campaign promise was a 16 month deadline in Iraq, he exceeded that deadline by more than a year by keeping troops there till the end of the status of forces agreement (which was signed under Bush)