If Marijuana was legal but alcohol wasn't?

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  1. Menerva Lindsen

    Menerva Lindsen Banned

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    What would be some arguments for legalizing booze?
    People always have tons of reasons for legalizing Marijuana, but what arguments would people make for legalization if alcohol was illegal and weed was legal?
    Do we like drinking more than smoking?
     
  2. smallblue

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    If there weren't historic precedent going back to Moses for alcohol consumption, I think it would be a harder sell than marijuana.
     
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    Drinking doesn't have the same risks of cancer as smoking does.




     
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    We tried outlawing Alcohol and what happened gangs, murder, illegal use. Weed is illegal and what have we got gangs,murder,and illegal use,.The ironic thing is Alcohol is 10 times more dangerous. Alcohol Usage has caused more death,disease,and heartache than all the drugs in the world combined.The effects of Alcohol abuse are irreversible ,well unless you get a liver transplant. Alcohol does something else,in the smallest amounts it destroys millions of brain cells every time it's used.Do you you know the natural high feeling you get when you make a big accomplishment like making an A on a test , Alcoholics don't experience that and they lose the drive to excel, their brains are damaged. Personally I'm against all of it. Believe it or not I've never had anything stronger than an aspirin or alleve, but being a realist you're not going to stop people from using these products so i'm for legalizing it all with a vending on every corner. Educate people to dangers and if they're still stupid enough to indulge in this behavior ,they'll soon die off and just the people with the sense to know how dangerous this chitt is will be left !
     
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    Alcohol during prohibition was also extremely cheap, even factoring in inflation.

    Once it was legalized the cost of it more than tripled.

    So if you feel like paying about 15 bucks a joint for weed than be my guest, it is your money.

    Oh, and if you think the government is going to let you grow your own pot in your backyard without a permit, fees, or taxes than you are more than likely going to be arrested.

    lol
     
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    Many people have died due to alcohol poisoning.
     
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    There's no poisoning from second hand alcohol, it's easier to use in moderation, there's little evidence of severe consequences for moderate use, and it's easier to do a DUI test than it is for marijuana.
     
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    Yep, if your pulled over for red eyes now then you are going to be arrested and brought to the hospital to have your blood drawn for intoxication by marijuana.

    Fun times ahead!
     
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    *shrug* People have died due to water poisoning.




     
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    We'd have Mads instead of Madd.
     
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    There is too much organized crime involving alcohol in America. Instead of reducing crime, prohibition would increase it when rival gangs compete against each other. Alcohol would be extremely profitable to smuggle.
     
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    Freedom of choice.
     
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    Freedom of choice is first and foremost the primary argument. It certainly can't be health, since smoking tars your lungs and alcohol wears at your liver. But why do you care so much you'd rather throw me in jail than let me have fun?

    Also booze is the best tasting drug. That's why it's basically the only drug I use.
     
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    I suppose it isn't as carcinogenic, but alcohol absolutely does contribute to cancers such as colon, liver, and throat cancers.

    Freedom of choice is great and should be the default position. However, health absolutely is a reason to legalize or decriminalize alcohol and other drugs. Prohibitions damage health in several ways:

    1. Making something illegal doesn't reduce irresponsible use of the substance. If a substance is bad, but the law against it doesn't mitigate that bad, then there can be no net benefit for health. Now, it seems the actual amount of alcohol consumed during prohibition went down, BUT consumption patterns changed from moderate, anytime use to more binge use. Binge use leads to addiction, overdose, and an increase in problematic behavior.

    2. Making something illegal makes it more difficult for people who are struggling with a substance to get help, especially if they are in the early stages of addiction and can still hide it. They fear losing their freedom, jobs, and everything for getting help. When something is legal, it is easier for them to get help and be more open about their problems if they want help.

    3. Throwing people in jail for having a health problem with drugs doesn't improve their ability to get off of drugs and improve their life in the long run. Rather, it makes their position worse and reduces their ability to function as a normal, productive member of society.

    4. Black markets are unregulated, and have dangerous chemicals in addition to the wanted drug. For alcohol, methanol contamination led to blindness and death.

    5. Innocent people die because black markets operate outside of the law and use force of arms instead of force of law to resolve their conflicts.


    Basically, legalizing drugs eliminates the harms that prohibitions cause while prohibitions do little in solving or even mitigating the drug problem.
     
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    I'll admit, were alcohol not prevalent, it would be extremely difficult to vouch for its use. It would be seen the same as drugs like PCP; makes people feel invincible and some get stupid violent. Humans and alcohol have had a long history though. It's a great social drug and so prevalent that many don't see it as a drug. It is though. It can ruin lives. It can also help a ruined life lay down at night. Without booze I'd probably have killed myself a long while back. A loser needs to dull the senses and feel good every now and then, well more like every night.

    Edit:

    Also, drinking makes for good music. If you can't appreciate this, drink more, sing loud, sing proud. Don't mind the wars, we'll do that without any drug.

    [video=youtube;blSPJRauKQQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSPJRauKQQ[/video]
     
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    Best tasting? Alcohol has the most unpleasant taste for a human mucosa. You can test any alcohol drink on 10 y.o. child and see his reaction on taste qualities.

    If marijuana was legal and alcohol was illegal, we'd had less deaths of illnesses. Many people would produce alcohol naturally at home, I hope it would be legal.
     
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    you do not have to smoke marijuana, you can eat magic brownies, drink it as a tea, ect..... smoking green tea leave is worse for you then drinking green tea, those are givens

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    Yep, that sounds just like our stupid freakin' government.

    Continue to force all the stoners to buy from the cartels, by making legal weed prohibitively expensive.

    That sounds exactly like our establishment morons.

    Well that's okay, right now today there are tens of thousands of pot growing operations in the United States, and this government is entirely incapable of putting a dent into any of 'em.

    War on drugs, indeed. If the government morons weren't so entirely stupid they'd stop p*ssing away our tax money on wars they can't possibly win.

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    They can't pull you over for red eyes. LOL :)
     
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    Really? Alcohol will kill you through liver disease, cause you to lose your sight, damage your brain and make you addicted to it. Even mild abuse will increase the risk of you contracting cancer. Marijuana is not carcinogenic nor, apart from two disputed cases, has it ever killed anyone. Tens of thousands die each year from alcohol abuse. Alcohol is responsible for being the third highest factor in preventable deaths in the US; nearly 88,000 die each year from alcohol abuse. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
    http://recovergateway.org/substance-abuse-resources/facts/alcohol-abuse/effects-of-alcohol-abuse/
     
  20. Don Townsend

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    Well, what do you know ,I never thought we'd agree on anything. Read my post #4
     
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    Your body produces ethanol. Abuse of anything will harm you (by definition). Sucking in combustion products is the primary cause of cancer. Smoking anything is a major health risk.

    I would not loose any sleep if alcohol products became illegal tomorrow. I think you'd have less luck enforcing a prohibition on a two carbon molecule than you have now with marijuana, but I wouldn't miss it if you could find a way.




     
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    Booze is even easier to produce than marijuana. Booze gets out of your system quicker.

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    Alcohol does not kill millions of brain cells every time it is used.

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/does-drinking-alcohol-actually-kill-brain-cells-300798
     
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    My youngest son has loved alcohol even when he was a toddler......
     
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    Sounds like a case of Child Abuse to me !!!
     
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    Some toddlers like the taste of beer, I heard about it. What alcohol has he loved? Don't you think it's dangerous to give alcohol to a toddler? :smile: How often does he drink alcohol now?
     

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