Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism

I know. I watched it yesterday. My friends came over last night, and I made them watch it too.

Check this guy out.
[video=youtube;3JaTjSKjJe0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaTjSKjJe0[/video]

 

Well duh, that's politics 101. People have been doing it for literally millenia: Alexander did it with the Susa weddings when he tried to symbolically wed Persian and Macedonian culture together with mass weddings between both his people's elites. The Ottomans did it throughout their dynasty's reign when they styled themselves Kaysers-i Rum (Caesers of Rome) and the legitimate inheritors of the Eastern Empire. Why do you think the pledge of allegiance was created? To reinforce American nationalism and patriotism. Why do you think "One Nation Under God" was only added sixty years after the pledge was originally composed? To further exacerbate the anti-communist fervor of the era and highlight the differences between the USSR and the US; the Russians didn't just stop being Orthodox Christians, it was just seen as extremely uncouth to parade something as sacred as your personal relationship with Khristos to everyone else. That a political ideology has expressed intent to change public perceptions of said ideology in a culture is not evidence that there's some vast overwhelming conspiracy occurring, it's just stating the obvious in pretentiously was too much verbage.

 

So amongst the myriad of redirection attempts and obfuscation, you are agreeing with me that Antonio Gramsci was an important figure in the creation of cultural Marxism?

 

No I'm saying the idea of a political organization attempting to sway public opinion was not something new, nor is the admission of the existence of those attempts evidence of some grand conspiracy to undermine Western civilization. Gramsci did not create "cultural Marxism", what Gramsci did do was point out the system by which the political elite and hegemonic powers exert soft power to shape their societies and other states to to be more amenable to their goals and policies. For example, the way we exerted non-violent power (economic aid, trade deals, tech swaps) during the Cold War to sway neutral parties to our side. "Cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory created by white nationalists to decry anything in society they don't like, for example, the Nazi Parties opposition to Cultural Bolshevism which when no one remembered what Bolshevism was became "Cultural Marxism" which other far right wingers grasped on to justify their hatred of anything that made them uncomfortable. Or, as was the case in Norway, to justify the grievous injury of hundreds and the murder of dozens of people. This is who you are associating yourself with.

 

So, again, we have a problem with the term "cultural Marxism" based on who has used it in the past, yet you concede that there was, indeed, an effort by Marxists to change the culture of the West so that it would be more malleable and accepting of Marxism.

That's good enough for me.

 

Lol the old conspiracy theory denial

Sweet

 

I see that as a positive.

More legislation isn't a good thing.

 

I mean if you'd like to actually give me a coherent definition of what exactly "Cultural Marxism" is I'll be happy to discuss it, but there categorically isn't one. The idea of political elite lobbying to change public perception is not a a conspiracy, because then the Republican Party is currently engaged in a national conspiracy to undermine the ideals of the Republic. Oh noez "Cultural Monarchism"! Oh dear Lord they're everywhere! "Cultural Libertarianism"! Agh no not "Cultural Direct Democratism", anything but that! So many organizations conspiring in broad daylight to change Western culture to be more amenable to their policies!

I'm sorry but that's not what a concession is, a concession would be me agreeing there is merit to your claim about a global conspiracy to destroy the West through nihilistic media. Admitting the Cold War was a thing that happened is not that, that doesn't mean there's an ongoing worldwide conspiracy to collapse Western Society by Marxists.

 

The film makes a pretty compelling argument. The people who would agree with your "it's just a conspiracy theory" dismissal would likely already agree with that premise to begin with. Beyond reasoning, in other words.

I doubt it was a coincidence that "critical theory" and other Frankfurt school ideas quickly found their way into society, and that early adopters of those ideas chose to get involved with the institutions of society where they could disseminate those ideas the quickest.

 

I'm noting a distinct lack of what cultural marxism is, can you defined it in your own words? What are these Frankfurt School ideas?

 

[video=youtube;VggFao85vTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs[/video]

 

The Origins of Political Correctness -> http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

A conspiracy theory?
Leftist sources often dismiss cultural Marxism not by using factual arguments but instead by labeling it a "conspiracy theory". This can be seen as a form of guilt by association instead of a factual argument.

 

I've defined it several times in this thread. It is a goal to change the dominant culture in the West to one that would be more receptive to Marxism in the future. The Frankfurt school ideas were strategies on how best to accomplish this goal (critical theory being a major one).

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That they have to advance their agendas by deception and stealth is very telling.

 

It's obvious that there are some who have a comprehension problem. OR, they refuse to acknowledge that they have already been indoctrinated and feel stupid, a form of guilt by association.

 

Look, you're taking the fun out of my trying to make you look silly for using far-right wing xenophobic conspiracy theories when you're quoting directly from a website made by a Neo-Nazi and run off of funding from Iran with quotes such as "As a website, Metapedia is strongly opposed to Jewish supremacism and its slave army of beast-men of the demiurge. In the battle between good and evil, Metapedia is strongly in favour of the Aryan race — descendants of the god-men of Hyperborea and Ultima Thule." or "Even in the scarce cases of the Negroid showing some small spark of genius it has been with those having a great deal of white or arabic ancestry... decreased intelligence and increased animal sex drive... allowing for more efficient and brutal rape of children."

Again, just like every political movement ever. What are the Frankfurt ideas, what are their strategies, how is this different in any way from what the Family Research Council or any number of thinktanks in America?

I mean, I suppose to those who've never actually interacted with a Socialist or Marxist the overt attempts to foster Marxism and Socialism in the West that are explicitly their goal could be seen as "deceptive" and "stealthy" to the blind.

I agree.

 

Let's look at what the neo-nazi's always complain about:

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism....

oh yeah and States rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism)

Sound familiar?


Need a clue?

 

I provided more than one source than just "Metapedia."

FYI: Metapedia sources were William S. Lind, Paul Gottfried, Lasha Darkmoon, Frank Ellis and probably the best source on the radical left, Discover the Networks.

 

Neo-nazis are not nationalist-socialist. Just like neo-conservatives are not conservatives.

So why would you bring up neo-nazis ???

And why would you use Wikipedia as a source ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neo-Nazism

 

As if the family unit has played no part in destroying itself. Jeesh, I guess we all need our bogeymen when things aren't going right.

Btw, I agree that Hollywood has had a small hand in destroying the family unit. But Hollywood depends on promotion and ticket sales in the finest tradition of cultural capitalism. Methinks you are all wet.

 

many right wingers believe this to be cultural Marxism:








from a Republican!

 

That was over 100 years ago. The parties have changed a lot since then. 100 years ago the Klan belonged to the Democrat Party.

If you study up on Teddy Roosevelt, he belonged to the "Progressive Party". Nuff said.

 

many republicans support fascism

 

U use the word "fascism" but I don't think you know what it means. If many Republicans are "fascist" it would be safe to say almost all democrats are "fascist". give me an example of these Republicans and their "fascism". I don't believe in global warming so liberal label me a denier and say I'm spreading hate speech and should be punished by the government for it. logic would dictate that collectivist are far more fascist than individualist.

 

Many Republicans today belong in the KKK and Neo-Nazi party.

Things change and that's why I posted that pic.

 

No, that's not why you posted the pic. You posted it as of Republicans are supposed to follow the lead of someone like Teddy Roosevelt, who was a big Government progressive who wouldn't fit into the Republican Party.