If Blacks are less intelligent what should we do?

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  1. Taxonomy26

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    1. Ashkenazi Jews and NE Asians DO have higher IQs.
    2. Education does Not improve intelligence, just adds knowledge.


    3. The same Basis that's used for ALL other living things: Separate evolution for Tens of thousands of years, leading to identifiable morphological (and in humans, Cognitive) differences.
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  2. Bakslash

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    There are plenty of ways that intelligence can be improved from an early age:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/exploring-intelligence/201302/improving-intelligence

    A quality education system should provide optimal conditions for higher cognitive development.

    What are the morphological and/or cognitive differences that distinguish 'white' people from everyone else?
     
  3. My Happy Safe Space

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    Some traits. This is for Caucasoid rather than White.

    TRAIT CAUCASOID NEGROID MONGOLOID
    1. cranial index 75 to 80, mesocranic less than 75, dolicocranic greater than 80, brachycranic
    2. sagittal contour arched flat with bregmatic or post-bregmatic depression arched
    3. keeling of skull vault absent absent present
    4. total facial index greater than 90, narrow to very narrow less than 85, broad to very broad 85 to 90, medium or average
    5. facial profile orthognathic (straight, flat) prognathic (projecting), especially in the alveolar area intermediate to mostly orthognathic
    6. nuchal ridge profile pinched and prominent slightly pinched rounded
    7. base chord long
    long short
    8. suture pattern simple simple complex
    9. metopic suture present absent absent
    10. wormian bones absent absent present
    11. eye orbit shape angular and sloping square or rectangle rounded and non-sloping
    12. lower eye border receding receding projecting
    13. nasal index less than 48, leptorrhinic (narrow) greater than 53, platyrrhinic (wide) 48 to 53, mesorrhinic (intermediate)
    14. nasal cavity shape tear shaped rounded and wide oval shaped
    15. nasal bones "tower shaped," narrow and parallel from anterior, slightly arched in profile "Quonset hut shaped," wide and expanding from anterior, no arch in profile "tented," narrow and expanding from anterior, arched in profile
    16. nasal overgrowth absent absent present
    17. nasal sill or dam present absent absent
    18. lower nasal spine large and sharp small small
    19. zygomatic arches narrow and retreating medium to large and retreating projecting
    20. external auditory meati round round oval
    21. palate shape triangular rectangular parabolic or horseshoe shaped
    22. palate suture irregular irregular straight
    23. occlusion slight overbite slight overbite edge-to-edge or even
    24. central incisors blade shaped blade shaped shovel shaped
    25. shape of ascending ramus of mandible pinched at midsection back slanted wide and vertical
    26. projection of ascending ramus of mandible
    non-projecting
    projecting
    non-projecting
    27. gonial angle slightly flared not flared slightly flared
    28. chin profile prominent and projecting rounded slightly projecting
     
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    Thanks. What are the morphological distinctions between Caucasoid and White?
     
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    I don't know off hand. Of course there are less differences within Caucasoids. I'm sure one could find points of skeletal distinction between eg. Greeks and Turks, as there is a significant ancestry discontinuity. I look at DNA similarity to assess finer race distinctions.
     
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    Maybe fund better education.
     
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    It's not for me to tell other people what to do, but "Through the Worm Hole" with Morgan Freeman did a very interesting episode on the subject. You should check it out. It unintentionally gives a lesson about political correctness in the process.
     
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    Well said. I always though it was very hypocritical for the left claim to be pro-science, but when it comes to intelligence and genetics, they subscribe to a mystical cartesian dualism, where intelligence is similar in properties to a soul that operates independent of it's machinery.
     
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    Facts are dehumanizing?
     
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    Won't help if members of the black community embrace a culture that hates education
     
  11. Johnny-C

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    Are you another person, who does not realize or accept that "facts" can be used to paint a 'partial' portrait of a person, place or thing?

    Have you ever seen "propaganda"? If you think that what many say in this forum paints a truly balanced view of reality, then I probably cannot persuade you otherwise.

    Regards.
     
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    Education cures ignorance, not stupidity.
     
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    Education does seem to impact IQ scores.

    Ashkenazi Jews, Polish, and Italians when they arrived all had some what low IQ scores, but their IQ scores had risen significantly with education.

    Oh, and the Polish American IQ of 109 in the 1970's was higher than the Chinese American of 108.
     
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    Another explanation could be that poor nutrition affected the immigrants but with proper nutrition they reached their potential. An analogy is the height gains by the children of Japanese immigrants.
     
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    Indeed, malnutrition leads to less brain development.

    I'd imagine that education helps the verbal section of the IQ some what, but not so much the spatial ability section of the IQ.
     
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    1. You're confusing Race with Nationality. Race/IQ has natural/genetic causes/borders, not political ones.
    (ie, "Russian-American" IQ is higher because it contains lots of Ashkenazi Jews!)
    2. Nutrition can add a few points to IQ, but only from a considerable Malnutrition situation.
    3. You need to cite sources for such exacting/eccentric-in-time claims of "108" vs "109" in the 1970s.
    ie, The bizarre eccentric "Polish American in the 1970s" may be bad sampling for many reasons, and "Polish IQ" is NOT 109 now, it's 99.
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/pl-poland
    Ooops.
     
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    Your logic is flawed here. It doesn't matter how facts are used, you need to accept the facts for what they are.

    Accepting reality/facts and propaganda are two different subjects.


    Btw, why aren't you voting for Donald J. Trump?

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    basically, we need to end diversity and multiculturalism because such systems do not work and have obviously failed.
     
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    Say what you want, but DATA has to properly 'parsed' to be actually useful or practical.

    And life has shown me, that people can be seemingly right/accurate at one point... but ultimately paint the wrong picture with what they know or say.

    So, with that in mind... I realize it's fine for people to scrutinize virtually anything being presented to them as reality (especially within a 'political' arena).
     
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    All I am arguing is to accept facts, which most people don't seem to do if its hard or negative. Its irrelevant if people do something else with these facts and use it to attack a group. I am not discussing that.

    I encourage you to reconsider your vote for Hilary Rodham Clinton because she will destroy the economy. Donald Trump will give us unprecedented economic growth.
     
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    If we are all so "equal and the same",

    why is there such a lack of Black Civilizations? Sure one or two tokens but mostly lacking!

    Civilizations throughout the world relegated Black People to slavery or lower class stations until a few gave equal status, even "affirmative action" with no real improvement in the Black standard of living in those nations.


    Seems to me History and Reality "SCREAM" for eugenics. :icon_jawdrop:


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    No Canada-1.jpg
    Build The Wall!
    They walk among us unnoticed until y'check some of their spelling
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

     
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    ""If Blacks are less intelligent what should we do?""

    Well, for openers, you might want to change immigration policy to strongly favor Asian immigration over Afro+Caribbean.
    NE Asians have 106 IQs, while we've absorbed several generations worth of Haitians at 67.
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/ht-haiti
    A small amount of NE Asians are wildly over-represented at Ivy League schools, and they commit Crime at ¼ the White Rate, with 'Blacks' at 5x-8x the White Rate. (Hispanics at 3x)

    I don't know about you, but I want someone whose going to pay for Military, Roads, and my/our Social Security, instead of Absorbing our money and social services like Prison, welfare, and food stamps.

    Closely related:
    "The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer"
    http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer
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    First, no one a yet definitively proven that IQ and race are connected. Many things affect IQ besides genetics and with greater effect. Lead, iodine even poverty itself all can affect the IQ of an individual.

    Secondly, if you are truly worried about people with low IQ's coming into this country, then you should be pushing for mandatory IQ tests for EVERYONE who want to immigrate. By just singling out particular races, who are just revealing your racist agenda.
     
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    I think an I.Q. test for potential immigrants is a great idea. As for as genetics and I.Q. is concerned, you are about 20 years late to the party. It has been determined that I.Q. is about 68% genetic, about the same as height.
     
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    So what genes are those? On what chromosomes are those genes on?
     
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    bulldust. the high IQ people mentioned in the posts referenced, (NE Asians) don't even believe this. in fact the Chinese don't believe in IQ at all.

    the ONLY difference between them and the underperformers is environment. the Chinese take education seriously, and so throw all their energy and resources behind it.
     

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