Will President Hillary Clinton be as Successful as President Obama?

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    She/we (Americans) will do fine... if there is a Congress that is far less 'obstructionist' by nature.

    I hope that if Clinton wins, there will also be significantly more BLUE seats in Congress.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

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    Another excellent post - other than NAFTA actually having negligible impact.

     
  3. Seth Bullock

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    Thank you.

    The problem is: Where did that $400 go? I think studies and statistics show rather clearly that it didn't go to the middle class. The middle class is thinning, while we actually have more millionaires and poor than we've ever had. And who is running this country? The millionaires are, that's who. R's and D's who are millionaires many times over ... like our next president, Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Lets get the truth out that the news media seems to want to ignore. All this crap started when Obama decided he wanted to get rid of Syria's President Assad. What made that idiot and Hillary think that Russia and Iran would sit back and allow them to take out one of their best Allies in the Middle East is beyond me. They armed the resistance but refused to give them the weapons they needed to fight the Syrian Army. So many of them defected to ISIS thinking ISIS had a better chance of taking out Assad. But ISIS had bigger plans, to take over Iraq and Obama and Hillary sat back and let them do it, not firing a shot or dropping a bomb till American heads came off and public pressure forced them to make a half hearted effort to stop them. The whole mess we have in the Middle East is because Obama and Hillary trying to over throw Assad.That brought in Russia and Iran bombing and fighting the resistance. Which caused large scale evacuation of Syrians and Iraqis which flooded Europe and brought the mess they are having there. Awhile back the Russians tried to make a deal with Obama to rein in Assad but Obama would have none of that, insisting Assad had to go. Now we have Russia bringing in missiles to Syria and warning Obama, any attacks on Syrian troops would bring down American and coalition planes. So does Obama back down or get us in a war with Russia?
     
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    If that wasn't enough, Obama and Hillary took out Kaddafi of Libya at a time we never had better relations with Libya and then walked away leaving it to fall to ISIS and terrorist. Obama says it was his biggest mistake. Well it was big, but nowhere near his biggest mistake, I already told you what that was. What that did was leave Libya unstable. So much so the British pulled their people out, but we left our ambassador there. He saw the problems starting to build and requested more security. Over a period of weeks he requested it about 12 times. Hillary never sent any. Then our embassy was under attack. The administration had a drone over head taking video of what going on and feeding it back to our people. The fighting went on for over 7 hours but this administration said there was nothing close to get help to them on time. Well, if they hadn't taken out the Libyan government we could have asked Kaddafi to send help. Or if we hadn't taken him out, the embassy may not have been attacked at all. Those two got four of our men killed by their actions. This is the two people Liberals are praising. Hillary is the one you say has the experience to do the job. They couldn't have screwed up more if they had tried. We are hated in the Middle East. We made a wreck of Europe with millions of refugees. They will never be the same again. We will have over a 100,000 Muslim refugees here if Hillary gets elected.
     
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    If those two wasn't enough, then they back stab Egypt's Mubarak and have him step down, allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to take power. We were only saved from that fiasco by the Egyptian Army getting rid of them. But that caused a lot of hate for Obama by most of the Middle East nations. Egypt was our strongest Middle East Allie and the guardian of the Israel/ Egyptian border. Also the go between with talks with Israel and the PLO. Everything they did in the Middle East was a major screw up and Hillary was Secretary of State through all of it.
     
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    Only because the public is so misinformed to what Obama has actually done. If the truth came out, he would rank near the bottom of presidents. How many know he emptied our prisons with over 30,000 illegal prisoners? Many of them rapists and murders. Set most of them free on the American people, with only a few deported.
     
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    You're barking up the Wrong tree. The problem isn't NAFTA. The problem is bureaucratic over burden. Historically the Middle Class has been composed of small business people and the the upper echelon of blue collar workers, masters and journeymen, the former have been replaced by and large by programmer operators, and programmers. What is really down is the number of new business start ups, part of this is because of increased costs but a large part of it is that a hell of a lot of people who are considering it look at the rules and regulations regarding their chosen field and think screw it. I'm not messing with that crap. So a lot of new jobs don't ever get created and the pressure pushing wages upward just isn't there because the risk reward balance is out of kilter. Not to mention which the way the regulatory regime is set up adding more and more workers brings you into more and more levels of regulation which greatly increases the cost of expanding your business.
     
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    Oh, I think you are right about what you're saying about regulations. You won't get an argument from me.

    All I want from trade agreements is fairness. If our market is open to China, for example, then their market should be open to us at an even level. That's all I'm asking for.
     
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    And I agree. But the problem what ever Trump says isn't generally the trade agreement itself but the tax and regulatory burdens existing here. However while Trump may be off about trade he is so much better on tax and regulatory policy that his trade stance simply doesn't matter. Hillary on the other hand is bad on both. her tax plans will result in more and more capital chasing wealth preservation rather than wealth creation and this is bad for working folks, entrepreneurs and even the government because it results in even less revenue than they thought they'd get.and more jobs and money shipped overseas.
     
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    Sorry we haven't done fine or anything approaching it since Bush's 4th year. We have an economy that isn't doing much more than replacing the dead and severely injured and retirees. And if it wasn't for the holidays it would look even worse.
     
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    Things haven't been perfect... but the nation is on the mend.

    And at no time in this nation's history, have things been so 'great', that we didn't have serious issues to address. Anyone that says otherwise, isn't being realistic. Life is not a 'fantasy'.
     
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    I live in a real world, with living beings. And none of them like Obama. Obama, without a doubt, is the most hated president in my lifetime.
     
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    I think Obama's approval is high because of his likeability, his biggest policy achievements are unmitigated distasters and 70% of the country believe he's not leading us in the right direction.
     
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    It hasn't been good let alone perfect. Were I to give it a grade economics would be at best a C- Race relations F, Foreign relations D. Transparency and honesty F-..Just for comparison Bush would have been D+, D, C+, C
     
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    Lol, considering that Obama wasn't that successful, sure she'll do just as fine. But anyways....

    I liked Bill as a president, some of his policies were bad, but overall, he did a pretty good job and kept a stable country. I hated the Bush's. And Obama didn't do a very good job either. Hillary will probably fix some things, but she'll really be just like Obama in the sense that she'll do things but she won't make the country really great or really bad.
     
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    Actually that's really interesting that you say that. I never really thought about that, but as much as Bush sucked, he was really transparent and was fairly honest. Now, you can't give Bush a better foreign relations grade than Obama. They are both really D-'s on that. Because Obama fixed a lot of what Bush started, but opened up a bunch of new wounds. Essentially, Bush had to deal with Al Qaeda and now we have ISIS, which only exists because of Al Qaeda and US involvement in the area. As for Race Relations, yea, I think Obama definitely did a better job just by default because he was a black president. Bush, I mean, let's face it, he's older and whiter than a water polo team in Speedo's.
     
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    Well, people are always going to have opinions about what they think is good, bad, better or right.

    It CAN all be argued too much really.

    My hope overall, is that America (as a whole) will do the best it can, with what it has.
     
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    So basically you want me to make Obama America's first Affirmative action President. And please you can't blame Bush for the existence of Al qeada which first came into view on Clinton's watch. ISIS happened because Obama was so anxious to to get out of Iran that he essentially blew off the residual force negotiations leaving Iraq open and vulnerable. Then came the fool hardy venture in Libya for which the only excuse is French and British idiocy, and then the fits and starts in Libya that allowed the radicals to take over the revolution there. Add to that his continuing support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt which was Repudiated by the Egyptian people. and Yes I can give him a worse grade than Bush.
     
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    In that sir we agree. Unfortunately neither party has exactly done us proud this time around. I don't think whoever wins will be much more than a place holder. And frankly I won't be surprised if whoever wins doesn't live out their full term. Both are widely disliked. Both aren't exactly spring chickens, and the presidency is a job that can age people really fast.
     
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    I'll tell you what will happen with her as president:

    1. The Democrats in the house and Senate will give her everything she wants
    2. The news media will not challenge her, and run stories past her admin, giving them veto power over what they print or broadcast
    3. The weak-kneed Republicans will not oppose her either, going along, to get along, giving her 90% of everything she wants, just as they do with 0bama
    4. No one in our government will take action to prevent her from violating our laws, just as 0bama does whatever he wants to do
    5. Just like with 0bama, impeachment will be taken off the table
    6. Hilary's will be the most corrupt, manipulative and secretive administration in US history, because no one will give a crap what she does

    On the flip side, if Trump were elected president:

    1. The Democrats and #NeverTrump repubs will hold hid feet to the fire, and fight him tooth and nail to prevent him from being a successful president
    2. The news media will watch him like a hawk, report anything he does that is not 100% perfect, and they will not bother to run stories past him before they broadcast them or print them
    3. Both the repubs and dems will not allow him violate our laws
    4. The dems will look to impeach him if he dares do even one tenth of what 0bama has gotten away with.

    This at least would be the advantage of a president Trump, both our Congress and the news media will never allow Trump to stray off the narrow path
     
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    I don't know if I agree with the notion that "Obama fixed a lot of what Bush started," since Russian relations and China relations, and even relations with Iran are worse now. I can't think of a country that we have better relations with now than we did during the Bush years.

    0bama is trying to make nice with Cuba, but the Castro brothers thumb their noses at him.

    Even in the Philippines, a country that has always been a very close ally with the USA, they are now cutting off relations with the US and siding with China.

    Philippines 'Separation' From USA Jilts Clinton, too
     
  23. Natty Bumpo

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    I see that Americans' estimation of President Obama continues to rise, now at 57% approval/49% disapproval.

    Madame Secretary's demonstrated ability to work with Republicans in the Senate may well contribute to her being an even better President.
     
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    One thing for sure, the bellywhingers that have been alienated from America will continue to snivel, aided and abetted by their ideological entertainment radio masters, when Americans elect Clinton.

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    I know dire things can happen, but I've learned that overall it's better to hope for the best and to do what I can to improve things.
     

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