Panic As The American Elite, Establishment Is Asking How Could This Have Happened !

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Marksman, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

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    No, Margot; they are talking about the people like the ones your father worked for.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Saudi's concern themselves only about the terrorists who attack them, not about those who spread their extremist Islamic interpretations and head chopping in other places like Syria for instance.
     
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    No. Trump will negotiate a Ukraine resolution with Putin.
     
  4. Merwen

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    IMO that's up to Eastern Europe, our NATO allies, and the Chinese.
     
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    It's not revenge when someone goes on TV and defames you, it's called righteous indignation. I know you're a Clinton supporter so this might surprise you, but there is such a thing as right and wrong ...
     
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    We don't consider ourselves winners. But we hope our difficult relations with the US will improve a little. Also we think it good and for to America. Ask simple Americans with whom they want to be on friendly terms with ISIS (with them Obama, Hillary etc. was on friendly terms...) or with Russia? The answer won't surprise you, nobody wants to be on friendly terms with ISIS. But with Russia yes.
     
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    Nothing is bad in the relations of the US and Europe doesn't happen. Trump has told that he will cooperate with all by peace way
     
  9. bill hill

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    How could this happen? The obvious answer is because the people said "Anyone, but her"....That's how!
     
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    Maybe that will turn out to be Obama's best legacy.
     
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    The American average voter having voted for Trump, thus has gone against the elite which sponsored and wanted Hillary's victory. Unless it is not a reason for panic?
     
  12. dairyair

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    Many remember the guy who put the US in perpetual war and tanked the world's economies.
    Note: He was prez just prior to obama.
     
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    'seismic' comes to mind. Maybe the West - at least the US and the UK - will get some intelligent leaders at last, instead of the 'born-to-rule' nincompoops we've been lumbered with for the last 2 decades.
     
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    Trump never said that and you know it. As for Hillary, well whether she goes to jail or not is up to the new prosecutor that Trump will appoint. It has nothing to do with revenge but justice. You do know there are such things as laws?

    An American General is in jail for having committed a lesser crime than Hillary, and he did it for security reasons... not for greed. So do you think it's fair that Hillary should get off scot free? And what about Rudolph Guiliani who said he has guilt feelings for sending two people to jail when they did something once that Hillary did ten times?
     
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    Elections have been forged?
     
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    Well, not exactly.
    Didn't she marginally win the most votes overall?
     
  17. bill hill

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    Yeah, but that's not how our political system works. To your point, marginally, however basically split down the middle...The people have spoken.....Seriously though, Trump would not be my BEST choice for sending out to represent me, and by in large, many people feel that way too...That said, for him to beat hillary, only plays to my point, with the huge clinton machine getting beat by Donald, with a huge media bias totally and completely against him, what else could it be other than, ANYONE BUT HER? Secondly, the people spoke to retain the House and win the Senate...So, yeah, anyone but her and anything that looks remotely like the past 8years of the obama administration. Very corrupt and void of how the people feel...
     
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    But the president Trump in the first speech has told about Clinton - she has made a lot of good for America...
     
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    But you said people. The electoral college spoke. The people said something different. Marginally.
    Both are despicable people. But that is all that can take the pressure of getting to try for the top.

    Media only says what they think will sell stories. To make money.
    Trump rode the media thru the primaries, without spending hardly any money.
    He got press time.

    The house and senate rode coat tails. Party line voting.
    Also, IMO, to give R's 2 yrs to see what they can do. They failed 2000-06, Will they do better this time?

    Again, the people did not speak. If one goes by popular vote. But in the overall, it was a tie per the people who voted.

    The obama admin, was not much different than bush. Same policies, basically, were followed. Even followed thru on many bush policies.

    Iraq, afghanistan, tarp, bailout, all bush stuff.
     
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    And to think that the day before yesterday it was a case of Anyone but Trump?
     
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    Well yes that's not their style. They prefer to fund al-Nusra ( al-Quaida ) in Syria. Anyone remember those nice fellows? It's bad for ah publicity I.E. business. The Sauds plans fell through and I pray we wash our hands of them ASAP. We don't need their money, oil, or alliance. Let's leave it at civil. After we stamp out ISIS I want us out of there. Unless it's to help rebuild Syria.
     
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    Kinda same thing since the people the Saudi bankroll are extremist Islamists themselves, they just aren't ISIS who just pees on everyone
     
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    Right, but the election says different!
     
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    It is the people. The people who got the votes in order to gain the electoral vote. Look, you would have bet your last dollar if I told you a year ago, that Trump would have won...I would....However, when you have executive order, LGBT bathroom issues, open borders, liberal media that slams anything conservative, you know, "The deplorables",Debt ran up more than all previous presidents combined, awful deals with the middle east (Iran), bringing in refugees that can't be vetted....this is just the tip of the ice berg...All this crap crammed down America's throats, and the people got fed up....You can say that hillary received the popular vote, but as you said, it was so marginal, that it was basically a tie. When you can flip traditional blue states into red, that is the people that the dems have always been able to count on. Even they turned on hillary. Why? because the people have spoken and said "Anyone but her".. That is what they said with their vote, and we now have a president elect that proves it. People are tired of dishonesty within the Justice department, are concerned about the supreme court, are concerned about the debt, are concerned about being taxed to pay for those that do not fend for themselves, forced policies that the majority do not want, legislating from the bench, executive orders, taking on more and more illegal aliens with no regard for federal laws pertaining to our borders, disregard for law and order, illegal funding through the clinton foundation (pay for play), classified emails put on her personal server, lying about it, black lives matter (as if mine and everyone else's doesn't...on and on and on and on.....people were fed up and voted for mass change. Likem or not, he figured out how to play the media (who by a wide margin can't stand him) and paid only a fraction of the money that hillary spent and had a basic message that resonated...That message means a lot more that hope and change. We changed all right, and are now left with very little hope.....my friend, spin it however you like, but the people spoke!!!
     
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    The middle class rose against elite which constantly promised much but did nothing. Today a salary at so-so static American lower than was even in 1999. The population is reduced, indigenous Americans don't want to have a big family, very costly.

    Low income (to the American measures) this main thing that pushed middle class to go to elections and to vote for Trump.
     

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