Are we slipping into fascism?

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  1. TOG 6

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    And anyone else that can read.
     
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    Incorrect, obviously.
     
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    I hope we are. Right-wing fascism is the only way to battle back against so many decades of Marxist rot.
     
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    Not in the slightest.
    Trumps EO was unquestionably in accordance with the law while the argument against it is unsupportable; the conclusion in question was made before the case was heard.
    It's that simple.
     
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    Trump is not mirroring Hitler at all. That's an extremely weak argument and it comes from those who clearly don't understand Hitler or the Nazi Third Reich. Furthermore liberals are not standing up to "hateful racists POS" because most of the time the liberals are the hateful racists POS's running around. I would advise you to take your own advice....get real and stop deflecting
     
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    At some point, these people will actually READ literature and actually uncover things on their own. For starters: Fascism and Nazism are two entirely different systems. Had Mussolini not aligned with Hitler, we're probably not having this discussion, he's not beheaded and Fascism would be seen as a viable alternative to the two party system.
     
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    Fascism is rule by anyone the OP doesn't like. "Democracy" is rule by anyone the OP likes.
     
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    Unfortunately that's an issue I encounter a lot. They won't experience a point where they'll have to actually understand history and some people will go their entire lives believing their own narrations of it. I'm a student history teacher and I'm beginning to teach at the high school level. Parents and even students have so many different versions of our past that sometimes it's very hard to set them straight. Some get confused others get angry like it's an attack on their system of values or beliefs. To add on to your point had Mussolini not taken an interest in Hitler and had just remained "neutral" like Francisco Franco (Spain) he probably would not have been ousted from power at all and thus we would have a different view as well. America really didn't practice ideological warfare (eg: Democracy vs Communism; Cold War) at that period in time. That came later.
     
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    That is correct. He mirrors Mussolini. http://bit.ly/2mHdDrL
     
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    Also incorrect but I'm not going to tally up the historical ignorance. I don't care what people believe outside my realm of influence. I can't force people to understand history or look at it neutrally. Inevitably we will always see opinions like yours and quite honestly it's not worth the effort. It would take an army of teachers and historians to set the population right when it comes to history.

    The sad truth is: ignorance is bliss. Should we bother correcting the ignorance or should we let the population be bliss? Can the population be in any other state on the matter than bliss? These are higher level debates that exist here. Is it honestly worth the struggle? I say no. It's not likely to fix the problem of historical ignorance.
     
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    Wow, Judy. You don't get out much, do ya.

    Every Progressive I know (and I know far too many) is extremely exclusive in their consumption of news. STRICTLY The Guardian and its ilk. They would never in a million years expose themselves to alternatives. They sneer and demonise the very thought of absorbing news from the other side.
     
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    Except for that complete takeover of the healthcare industry thingie, eh? And... how about the auto industry? FFS he FIRED THE CEO OF GENERAL MOTORS. I can't see how any rational person would *not* associate him with fascism.
     
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    For those interested, here's an American(yours truly), who read Mussolini's book, studied Fascism and has adapted it as his own philosophy: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...to-the-left-and-right.498951/#post-1067180824
     
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    Again, why was it shot down? This is why your side doesn't understand that you are the advancers of fascism.
     
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    Brilliant deduction.
     
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    Or, you don't understand why criticism is justified.
     
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    uh, Obama didn't take over the healthcare or auto industry. o_O
     
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    Trump's ideology is more accurately described as populism. Fascism needs to be backed by armed militants who attempt to destroy democracy. We haven't seen them yet, except for some black-clad anarchists.

     
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    Fascism: Big Honking Government
    DP: Big Beeping Government
    GOP: Big Government
    Trump: Proposes 17% cut in the size of government - to start.
    Conclusion: Trump is anti-Fascist, Anti-DP, Anti-GOP

    Now you know why the entire entrenched corrupt American political class is united in desperate opposition to Trump.
     
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    Huh? If the EO had been unjustly halted, it could have been challenged in a higher court. Trump never chose to do so, but instead has rescinded it and issued a new one. Hmm.
     
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    Bumper sticker politics. Thanks, internet.
     
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    That's like fighting a cockroach infestation by burning down your own house
     
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    No, it's like going in and removing the cockroaches from their current location.
     
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    It involves plenty more than just that.

    Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]

    Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[5][6] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[5][6]

    Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

    Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th century fascist movements.[13]
     
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    Oh my.
     
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