Across the living room distance a 12 ga, even one with an 18" barrel is going to spread to about the size of a softball. Don't misunderstand me, definitely a fine choice, but you still need to aim it like a rifle for maximum effectiveness, inside the home, spray and pray isn't going to do much damage...except to your drywall.
And I should imagine the sheer weight of all those shotgun pellets at shortish range will not only punch a hole in an intruders chest like a cannon, but will also knock him off his feet even if he's wearing a bullet-vest, so it's a "double-whammy" weapon..
I can't imagine someone saying "Oh, I can't wait for the day armed intruders enter my home and place my family in such a desperate situation, I am inclined to use deadly force against them." If this situation is to occur, you want to immediately and decisively act, to save you and yours. One of the last worries should be if the chosen round will penetrate the drywall and travel through multiple rooms; or into neighboring homes. I personally think 5.56 would be too powerful a load and cause needless worry. I would choose .40 SW as it has enough stopping power to resolve these issues, with less worry for shooting backdrop. It is also used in many handguns, allowing for a continuation of ammo through many various firearm platforms.
Well, sure of course you need to point the damn thing as directly toward where you think the target is. At night, when you may well still be groggy with sleep, this may not be so easy. This whole thing is getting a little bit silly, guys. You deal with your burglars your way, and I'll deal with mine. And I wish you all the best of luck and 'happy hunting'....
Falling down is no the same thing as being knocked down. The third law of motion states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. To physically knock down an assailant, a round of ammunition would need to physically knock down the shooter as well.
Yes, professor... anything you say. I'm all for any law of physics that eliminates criminals! Have a lovely weekend. BTW, I have nothing in the world against the AR-15....
Yes, good point. Aim is important, no matter the range to target. After all, if all you do is wound a criminal instead of killing them, they'll get a lawyer and sue you for everything you're worth.... So, you're right... aim is very important. But, like I said, I'm not a particularly good shot, especially when I've just been roused out of a deep sleep by noise in my house at night. But, I can work a pump shotgun, and I'll have six rounds to make sure I get it right. Cheers!
You mean posting crime rates as a function of theneighborhood socioeconomic status? No don't we have done that yet. But feel free to help me by explaining how dangerous it is to live on an estate with secured gates, intruder alarms and a driveway 1/4 of a mile long. Now if the intruder gets through all that I admit to also having guns but that is more just to keep the boss happy and of course to kill the wild pigs.
Your imagination would be wrong. A 12-gauge shotgun (3" magnum) loaded with buckshot has a load weight of 1.5 oz, and the velocity of the buckshot is around 1300 feet per second. 1.5oz is rougly 0.1 pounds (rounded up). That means the momentum of the shot load is 130 lb-ft/second. That's the equivalent of a 130 lb person going 0.7 miles per hour, which is a slow walk. Or a 10 lb object going 8 miles per hour, which isn't that fast. It won't knock you over (if it could, then the 12-gauge recoil would knock you over) https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...ted-lead-shot-10-rounds-86224-090255862249.do
More accurately, we have discussed how your advice for what amounts to safety is rejected because it can only be achieved by those who are economically well off, and financially secure. Not everyone can afford to live behind security gates, have a working security system, and properly trained guard dogs. Your advice is rejected on the basis of discriminating against those whose defense budget allows only for one firearm, and one box of ammunition.
Feel free to post any actual data you have that shows people are safer for having a gun in the house. Mind you not stories, not anecdotes, hard data from reliable sources. Will wait!
And pray tell exactly where is your data to demonstrate conclusively that options other than firearms are just as viable, if not better, when it comes to matters pertaining to self and home defense? We have nothing other than your argument that such is the case, but you present no evidence that this is truly the case.
Every evening, we lock our doors and windows at bedtime. But in all our years, we've never seen any evidence of attempted illegal entry. So would you then wonder, what good are door locks? "Woe unto them that are at ease in Zion".
You are the one attempting to make the argument against firearms being a method of defense. The burden of proof is on yourself to demonstrate that you are correct in your assertion regarding fences, security systems, guard dogs, and whatever other costly alternatives you believe to be far superior to firearms for that purpose. You have failed to do such.
While I have some pump 12 gauges I bought used cheap so can just leave them here and there (boats, vehicles, shed etc) not worrying about humidity etc, I don't care for a pump. The only reason for a pump over a semi-auto is you can use a variety of different shells in a pump. Otherwise, they are too slow and take you off target. However, I prefer an ordinary 12 gauge coach gun (short barrel and exposed hammers). AA in one barrel, a slug in the other. 5 shells on the stock - 2 AA, 2 slugs, 1 bean bag. With a double 12 you can fire both barrels at the same time, which can be real handy if you are charged by a wild hog out of the undergrowth. Hit it in the head with both barrels and it will go down. Miss and you're screwed no matter what you got. A short double 12 also has a huge intimidation factor, has a competent solid feel and makes a decent steel pipe. Not a fan of the .223/5.56, though those 42 magazine bullpups are quite sweet and ideal for a smaller adult for less recoil. "Real men" of course have .308s and beware of anyone with an M1 30.06 as they are likely quite serious minded.
It has been posted about 50 times the study that having a firearm prevents a million felonies, half a million home invasions and a quarter million rapes each year. It is rare the firearm is fired, merely having it was sufficient. Home invasion by 2 or more masked invaders deliberately while people are home is on the uprise.
Anyone who rents property - house or apartment - does not have the option of fences and generally not guard dogs. Security systems don't defend a person. They report a break-in. Most people will never need a firearm for defense in their entire life. But if they become a person who does, they would trade every dollar they have and everything they own for ANY firearm. In that instant, "my kingdom for a horse" becomes "my kingdom for a gun."
I've used my homeowner's insurance twice in my life. I have had to defend life, limb and / or property three times via a firearm in my life. Homeowners insurance cost over $1500 per year. An AR 15 (a good one) can be had for half that. The AR 15 will last many years if properly maintained. Insurance is insurance. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Homeowner’s son kills 3 teens who broke into Oklahoma residence, getaway driver arrested POSTED 8:27 AM, MARCH 28, 2017, BY CNN WIREhttp://fox59.com/2017/03/28/homeown...o-oklahoma-residence-getaway-driver-arrested/ Low estimates are 55,000 times per year. High end is 4-5 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use
Of course it has been posted about fifty times except that the assumptions in the study make it a joke. Suggest you actually bother to read the whole thing.
