Holy crap. And I'll bet that's just from a pistol. Imagine a carbine for a second! Even from a revolver, I felt comfortable shooting magnum. My wife preferred Special, but that just goes to show, the most effective weapon/round is the one you can comfortably/reliably shoot.
another thing cover is your best friend in a firefight you loose cover with a rifle or shot gun verse a pistol a pistol you can just point it around a conner and pull the trigger and not expose your head
Yeah, I know there are people who actually learn how to handle rifles and guns. And I have no problem with people who are smart enough to be careful about owning guns. But I've known plenty of people who just carry a gun because they're afraid of the world and they need a gun to use the way Linus uses his blanket. Most of these clowns have no clue about gun safety, and couldn't care less. Then we hear so often, as I did just a couple of day ago, about kids getting hold of, and firing, their parents guns, because their parents are too damm stupid to own a gun. The toddler I'm talking about fired his mother's gun out the window of their car. This idiot was arrested, thankfully. A quick Google turns up loads of stories about these morons. This is the kind of stupidity I was talking about in my original post. A lot of the wrong people seem hell-bent on owning guns, just like a lot of them seem to like owning a vicious pit bull that they are too stupid to train properly. I suppose gun ownership will always be controversial.
guns are tools in the right hands then their is these , the mother should of shown the kid boy the gun unloaded and let him pull the trigger and take the imagination away from it being a toy and tell him its not, then show him a real toy gun, see parents hide there guns from children and the kids get curious and want to play with them http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...d-son-shoots-self-with-handgun-from-her-purse
I urge everyone who thinks a 223/556 penetrates more than your pistol caliber rounds (such as 9mm) to review the FBI's findings on the subject. http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26 While the 223/556 round leaves the barrel at buck-naked speeds, it dumps it's energy quickly when it strikes something, and looks for any excuse to go tumbling ass over teakettle. Combined with it's small size this results in rapid loss of momentum. When the round itself is designed to break apart, such as a vmax type round, you get a hard hitting round that tends not to penetrate to the degree handgun calibers do through walls and objects. When striking a person, here's an example of the devastating effects it exhibits through hydrostatic shock. Low grain weight vmax type projectiles penetrate drywall far less than handgun calibers, to include hollow points (which won't open unless they hit something "wet"). This is consistent with FBI findings. http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html http://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/2...ate-home-defense-part-one-penetration-issues/ Are 223 rounds still dangerous? Yes, but when the correct TYPE of 223 is used (ball ammo is never a good choice), over-penetration of a hit on target is non-existent, and over-penetration on a miss is greatly reduced.
I know, right? It's like they can't open their mouths without lying. I can understand someone not being comfortable around firearms, because some people are just that way. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I can understand people being overcome with emotion because a firearm was involved in the loss of a loved one. That's normal. But these people are not a sound foundation around or upon which to build understanding or regulations. Especially when, as you know, we are already beyond flush with regulations.
There has been a case where a guy was shot 40 times by cops and still lived. When you really want someone dead---get a rifle. 20 rounds of .308 in the torso and even the most doped-up person will go down.
I had a CZ 97 and I have big hands and that had big grips even for me IMHO. Traded it for a motorcycle. One of the most ergonomic grips I have felt was the Bersa 9mm pro. Full sized and accurate. Sold it to a friend and carry a Sig MK25.
Sig MK25 9mm lacks stopping power over the CZ 97 yeah its good in a riot or mob attack but for short range in a home the 45 rules
Out on the street most people are killed with calibers smaller than the 45 and often just a 22. It ain't the caliber but shot placement that counts. If the Sig is good enough for the Navy Seals, it is good enough for me.
There is no evidence to conclusively support the belief that the nine millimeter round is ineffective compared to other common rounds of ammunition.
45 cal hollow point has more Hydrostatic shock or hydraulic shock to the inside of a human body then the 9mm
This is based upon what source of information? This site https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/#mozTocId604639 has been garnering significant data on the performance of various rounds of ammunition, and the gathered tests demonstrate little difference in the primary handgun calibers selected for purposes such as self defense.
Smaller rounds are better at penetration through outer layers than larger rounds. It is called flat plate area. Ballistic gel is not an indication of real world performance on the human body. To actually stop someone you still need to hit something vital. That can be done with any size round.
Again, what is the source of this information? What is the citation? Where is the site link back to where this was found? The above tells us nothing on its own.
.223 Wylde chambered guns can shoot either .223 or 5.56x45 safely and accurately. It's not a cartridge, it's a chambering. http://www.americanweaponscomponent...the-caliber-confusion-223-wylde-vs-5-56-nato/
So, the reason one would have an AR is for stand off. For closer in, having actual handguns is much more likely to be effective. I use 1911 .45 and SS 9mm. For those more messy considerations, Remington 870 12 ga. Covers a lot of ground.
as you can see on the S&W 459 i glue on a finger grove to the grip and added some grip tape to the plastic grips
