AR15 carbine for home defense

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What cartridge would/did you choose for a home-defense AR carbine

  1. 5.56x45 or derivative (specify)

    40.0%
  2. 7.62x51 or derivative (specify)

    2.5%
  3. 7.62x39 or derivative (specify)

    5.0%
  4. 9x19mm

    10.0%
  5. .40 S&W

    7.5%
  6. 10mm

    2.5%
  7. 45ACP

    12.5%
  8. Other (specify)

    20.0%
  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    And you can't figure out how stupid a range of fifty five thousand to five million is in terms of actual evidence. Try again to find something that makes any rational sense.
     
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    45 cal is the best why well its has the best knock down in short range in a home and accuracy isnt needed in that short range of 30 feet say , wall penetration and possibility into the neighbours home is less then any other hand gun for that knock down power the ar 15 or rifle has limited swivel ability in tight hall was a hand gun is much better around corners[​IMG]
     
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    I'd trust my revolver or shotgun first. Not saying it they are objectively "superior" to your rifle recommendations, just that they are what I have experience with. I haven't found a rifle yet that I can draw a bead with quickly and reliably compared to my shotgun. A quick followup shot doesn't matter if I can't get a quick first shot. But pragmatically, my dog is probably more valuable for self defense than any of my firearms.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but you can do so (at least with mine) using a simple bead sight. I'm admittedly inexperienced with rifles, but I haven't found one that I can aim quickly yet. Aligning the front and back sights takes me a bit longer than aiming the bead sight. Again, this could just be my inexperience. I used to have the same problem with my revolver until I learned to let the back sight blur and keep a clear picture of the target/front sight.
     
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    Well, not to get too nostalgic, but I grew up in an area where gun ownership is the norm, but a sort of graduated approach was also the norm. You got a BB gun at a very young age. Once you proved you could handle it responsibly, you got a pellet gun. Then a .22. If you could handle a .22 responsibly, you were allowed a rifle or a shotgun. And when you are out in the country, a 911 call could still mean that help was 20 minutes away, so I can see the desire to protect one's own home. Not to mention the land management requirements (I've seen deer cause million-dollar damage to farmland, and 911 isn't exactly going to respond to them).

    But yes, as far as the guy in your avatar goes, I'm not sure if he could be trusted with a sharpened pencil, much less a firearm.
     
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    I could see using 5.56x45 for home defense, but I'd never use 7.62x51, that IMO is too powerful unless you want to really risk shooting into your neighbor's home.
     
  7. trucker

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    shotgun ar 15 can be taken away from you in close corridors and wrestle away [​IMG]
     
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    I thought you might figure that out for yourself. There is no complete legal data for your question. It's a blend of data and educated guesses. The range is 55 thousand to 5 million. So again, take your pick, smart guy. Even the lowest end is substantial. I also posted a recent news article of a young man forced to shoot three home burglars. They were dressed in black, and armed with knives and brass knuckles. So there's a real life evidence to your query, if you are even serious. Or are you just BS'ing. Do you think it would have been better that the man was unarmed and that he and the other members of his family were possibly beaten, raped, murdered and robbed? Would you prefer the criminals run free while the good lay dead and bleeding?
     
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    surprise and defensive position in a closet or another tight area it the best tactic a rifle loses that advantage you can popup behind a bed frame say [​IMG]rifles suck they are hard to to keep a low profle[​IMG]
     
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    I wouldn't say rifles "suck," they can be great, especially the AR-15, as it provides superior accuracy, low recoil, higher ammunition capacity, etc...it's really a matter of preference for the person. As for the claim that a rifle or shotgun can be taken away in close quarters, perhaps, but that really depends. What is also very likely is that the criminal who broke into the home of someone who owns said rifle or shotgun will end up getting shot.
     
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    revolver is low in ammo capacity 6 shots.
    10 shot mag is the lowest you should used
    say like a cz 97 45 cal 10 round +1 in the chamber, its made of metal and heavy see you dont care about the weight like a poly frame glock in a home and you only carrying it for a short time
    weight heavy is your friend metal here less recoil poly frame kick much more and have a high rate of mussel flip f [​IMG]
     
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  12. JakeJ

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    The advantage of a long gun/shotgun is due to its length as a longer pointer for more accurate impulse shooting.

    Most people are horrific shots with a pistol, why I also vehemently urge a Crimson Trace on a handgun.
     
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    I don't have any close corridors like that downstairs, and no one is going to make it upstairs without making a lot of noise or without my dogs making a lot of noise. Nor do I think your average home intruder is willing to take that kind or risk. And like I said, I also have the revolver.
     
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    Most anti-gunners never express concern for victims. The only response in regards to 3 masked and armed home intruders is to add their deaths to their count of wrongful gun deaths. The only offense anyone committed in that incident was the resident using a gun for self-defense. Their statistics count the death of the Orlando LGTB nightclub also as another wrongful death statistic.
     
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    storage a pistol has all the advantage is easer to stored safe around kids in a finger print safe and secured, [​IMG] a rifle shot gun much harder to get to in a hurry
     
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    I doubt I'd ever need more than 6 shots, and I'm actually pretty quick with the speed loader. I'd rather 6 shots with a gun I'm familiar with than 10+ with a weapon I'm not familiar with. I'm sure, all things being equal, you are right. But all things aren't equal. I'm better with my revolver. That's not to say that I'm not interested in learning with a new semi, and a CZ would probably be my first choice; that's just where I am now. And where I am now is all that matters for my current home defense.
     
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    2 are better than a shot gun or one pistol at a time, more firepower in a small package less accurate but it will scare the crap out of the bad guys
     
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    Yes, but you can easily store a rifle or a shotgun as well, and those also have superior stopping power to a pistol, which is very important in the event you're facing some drugged-up crackhead who decided to break in (that is a problem in some areas around here I know). But like I said, it is all a matter of preference, and things like children, physical capability of the person, skill, etc...all come into play in terms of the person's decision on what gun. Some are fine with a six-shot revolver, others prefer a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine.
     
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    Lol, to my shame, I've actually tried something like that at my friend's ranch on a stupid dare. I'm much better off with my shotgun. As are my neighbors :hiding:
     
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    Yep. As technically superior as another option may be, it doesn't matter. If I'm personally more effective with a "technically inferior" weapon, then that is the better weapon for the situation. Better a single action revolver that I'm competent with than an AR-15 platform that I'm not.
     
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    A person firing 2 handguns is 4 times as likely to miss.
     
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    45 cal hollow point one bullet in the chess your not geting back up, [​IMG]
    ar 15 some times 3 shots to bring down a meth up person
     
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    true but your capacity is 36 rounds with those 2 glocks 9mm
     
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    Hence, since I shoot .357 magnum in my revolver anyway, why I'm considering a .357 carbine. I doubt any home intruder is getting up from that. Probably more effective than even my current shotgun, once I get the aim down.
     
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    check out the 357 clay expansion over the 38cal WOW [​IMG]
     
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