What can Trump do to lose his base?

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  1. Ddyad

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    Disinformation is "smoke" - disinformation is a clandestine intelligence specialty. Morell is trying to tip off the Russia collusion team to move on because there is nothing there "there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.” THE INTERCEPT, Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion, Glenn Greenwald, March 16 2017.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16...-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

    Again, if Sessions has not already tasked grand juries to investigate every aspect of the sigint leaks and the Russia collusion meme, the Russia hacking meme et al Trump should order him to ge his lazy Southren butt in gear - stat.
     
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    I suggest you direct your complaint to the radical wing of the DEMOCRAT party, Margot. Not one (ONE) single Republican voted for Obamacare. Trump made a rushed, ill-considered attempt to "repair" this monstrous bag of worms, but the feeble attempt fell flat. Democrats were waiting in the wings to rally behind Obama's "signature achievement", but Republicans made their effort unnecessary.

    FINE! So, all your forthright champions of the parasitic-poor -- REJOICE! :cheerleader: . Obamacare has been saved from mean, old Donald Trump and the equally mean, old Republicans. Democrats have their precious Obamacare intact and unmolested by any icky Republican interference. :hippie:

    Now, I urgently advise Republicans to leave this damned thing alone -- leave it exactly as President Messiah set it up! If it succeeds, Democrats can go on worshiping at Obama's 'shrine'. If it fails, they can try to blame Republicans, but IT WON'T WORK. Nobody but an inattentive, abject moron could possibly blame any Republican if Obamacare turns into an even bigger pile of s**t than it already is!

    We can only hope that President Trump has learned a very valuable lesson from this Obamacare "repeal" ploy. When you play with s**t, it is inevitable that it will splatter back on YOU. Trump's got many more important issues that urgently demand his attention right now! This is a Democrat "thing". It will be a far better thing if he never "casts his pearls before swine" again!
     
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    We have to do something. I agree with you I don't want to go to war, but we could stop trading with Russia, stop buying their oil. These actions would hurt Russia, but it would also hurt Exxon and Mr. Tillerson's pocket which would hurt Trump's bringing us full circle. The businesses are connected to Russia which are connected to our President. This is how the Emolument's clause becomes violated.

    Are you suggesting that because the outcome of the election was the one you wanted, a foreign government can meddle in it if the result is the one you wanted, because it's just a little hacking. I'm sorry but this can't stand. Hacking IS the war of the 21st century. Trump must do something to respond to Russia. Obama placed sanctions. Trump could have kept those in place, but no he removed them day 1. These are the pieces of the puzzle that show Trump is now following the will of Russia, because "he want better relations." This is crap. Trump is pulling favors for Russia because they helped him win.
     
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    Healthcare was in crisis when Obama took office. ACA was a temporary fix to slow rising costs and insure more Americans had access to healthcare. Trump is a gasbag who repeatedly made promises.. and yet he has NO plan. I have news for you.. its important.
     
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    How can we trust any proceedings overlooked by Sessions? He is in the middle of the Russia scandal, and would benefit from it all going away to. I'll be honest with you, I do not know how sessions juries are selected on the Federal level, but I do not believe it would be a stretch to stack he Grand Juries with people who wouldn't want Trump to look bad.

    Let us say the Jury was picked fairly. Here is another potential down fall to your statement. The Grand Jury's job is to judge whether or not the evidence presented is true and if it is compelling or not. They can request that all evidence be brought forth, but with current investigations ongoing, isn't it very possible that these Sessions juries didn't have all the information they needed to actually make an informed decision. Couldn't Sessions, who has close ties to Trump, rushed to have jury's evaluate the evidence he brought forward, in an attempt to make smoke and hide behind it? To prevent people from further investigating. To just leave it alone?

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all. I don't run around wearing tin foil hats. However, I still don't understand why you are so opposed to letting the FBI do it's job. Collect the Intel, and then letting an unbiased jury decide if that Intel is really just smoke, or if it is actually something we need to worry about.
     
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    Number One: Thanks to President Trump's immediate action to free the Keystone pipeline project from radical Democrat interference, we won't need to buy any oil from Russia or anyone else in the Eastern Hemisphere. Interesting that you'd make a point about us buying oil from Russia, because we bought more Russian oil during the OBAMA regime than we ever did before! Link: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M

    Number Two: Where is the PROOF that "the Russians hacked the election for Trump"? If you have seen any proof then you are the ONLY one who has. Please, end this agony of no proof being provided to any of us, the ordinary, lowly American citizens -- post the links to the PROOF right here in this Forum. Do it NOW, please!

    [​IMG]."Our ancestors pissed in that stream! Don't pollute it!"
     
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    Keystone is a tax dodge. It takes advantage of NAFTA and Tax Free Zones on the Gulf coast of Texas. Most of that refined product will be sold overseas.. Not a bad thing, but don't be taken in by the hype.

    The US bought more oil from Canada, Mexico and VZ that miniscule amounts from Russia. Check your figures.
     
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    "Healthcare was in crisis when Obama took office." Is that what you're saying? CRISIS?! Methinks thou dost exaggerate, Margot....

    Healthcare insurance premiums had increased steadily over decades -- ever since hyperliberal Democrat Lyndon Johnson barged into the healthcare arena with his socialistic "Medicare" and "Medicaid" programs way back in the 1960's! After those two monstrosities screwed everything up throughout the entire medical scene in the United States, we had steadily higher costs, and higher deductibles, along with higher "co-pays". But the quality of medical care was excellent, and it remains excellent to this day, Margot. But, yes, thanks to haphazard, reckless Democrat pandering to that segment of society that doesn't want to pay for ANYTHING, we've seen complete destabilization in all healthcare markets, and medicine, too.

    More recently, the Democrats' wonderous President Messiah and his socialistic Democrat majority in Congress took a nice, long, luxurious period of many months to lovingly craft exactly what they wanted in a "socialized medicine" addition to the twin tragedies of Medicare and Medicaid. Thus, we got Obamacare.

    Trump tried, prematurely and ineptly, to "fix" it. NOBODY wanted what he offered. So, it's right back in the lap of Democrats and ONLY the Democrats. Good! That is exactly where it belongs!
     
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    First the keystone pipeline will not bring more oil to the United States. The purpose of the pipeline is to move oil from the tar sands in canada to ports in the Gulf of Mexico to ship around the world. If we wanted to buy the oil we could stick a refinery right on the Canada America border and start using the oil without the need to destroy thousands of acres of Indian land in the process. So no we don't need the pipeline, and no it wont help us get out from our oil dependence.

    Second, http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/ I know this is a post from CNN which y'all think doesn't report any facts any more, but read the report. Specifically, "The Department of Homeland Security and the Office of National Intelligence on Election Security issues a statement declaring that the intelligence community is "confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from US persons and institutions.""

    Sounds to me like our intelligence agencies are convinced of hacking by the Russians, so I'm sorry if they can't release all the facts to the general public because it would compromise their investigations into Trump Russia ties at this time.
     
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    How did Trump propose to fix it?
     
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    Just wanted to Bold this and say thank you for pointing out the problem. So many people on BOTH sides who didn't want to pay for insurance that actually covered anything in health care. So we mandate everyone has to buy it, so that everyone pays. I'm glad you agree! If the Republicans would have just bought health-care instead of belly aching about it we would have 100% coverage and affordable health care for all.
     
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    Trump's pre-election promise was that he had a plan to replace Obama care on day one which he reiterated after the election that his plan will repeal and replace. But then again, why fulfill your promises made to your sheep
     
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    "What can Trump do to lose his base?"

    nothing, look at his crazy tweets, and they still support him, like trump said, he could shoot someone and they would still support him
     
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    Everybody knows the President can only make suggestions to Congress about a bill It is up to Congress to put the bill together and get it passed. The president cannot do it by executive order With the Democrats deciding to go against anything republicans try the bill had little chance to pass in it's present form.
     
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    The people who sit on grand juries are very independent. They almost always follow the recommendations of a prosecutor but they can ignore those recommendations.

    An aggressive Republican AG is, in theory, perfect for the investigation of criminal domestic espionage on the part of spy agencies working for a Democrat administration. But in practice both parties find ways to give each other's exposed criminals a pass. Washington pols like Sessions have been playing patty cake with their "opponents" for decades.

    Trump should order Sessions to appoint Dennis Kucinich as Special Prosecutor. He really would be perfect. ;-)
    And he is not a lawyer. ;-)
     
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    His "great" plan did not even get through the Republican vote of confidence, a plan that they have had 7 in preparation.
     
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    did you vote for the king of the birther lies? saying he was not a legitimate President?

    in fact Trump is still going after Obama, why? now sayig he was wiretapping him, yet again no proof, just like the birther nonsense

    Trump is always whining that he is the victim... while attacking everyone else.... he is a bully for sport
     
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    yes, we do, which is why Obama did not get a public option.... now your starting to get it

    sad thing is, most Presidents use EO's when their party doesn't control congress... Trump has to use them when his party does
     
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    Dennis Kucinichis a nut case.... Let's get a real special prosecutor and you will not have any arguments from me. That is all we are really asking for - a fair non-biased investigation. We want the results to be what they are - the unadulterated truth.
     
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    you want someone that is not a lawyer to play prosecutor? did they at least stay at a holiday end?
     
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    Fair and unbiased is for trial juries because we know prosecutors are inherently biased. We need prosecutors who will aggressively try to enforce the law as written. Kucinich would be great - both parties despise him. ;-)
     
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    Lawyers are a dime a dozen in the DOJ. Give Kucinich and his grand jury a team of them to direct, and start finding space in Leavenworth and Lewisburg for some fresh criminal political scum. :)
     
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    What you want is somebody to just say guilty regardless of evidence I don't think there is enough evidence to warrant a special prosecutor.some on here will never accept the outcome no matter what.
     
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    The key point being, it isn't his job to be judge and jury. She was investigated for months, testified for days, was interrogated by Congress on multiple occasions and exonerated, but Trump still wanted her in prison.
     
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    I do not want someone to say guilty regardless of evidence. I don't want someone who will rule not-guilty in the face OF evidence. If Trump is innocent I will move on and except that he is President. I will then fight his administration and Republicans around the country tooth and nail doing everything I can to tilt the power back to the democrats come the 2018 election, because I honestly believe Republican ideals are going to destroy the country. Ideals founded on hate disguised as protection, ideals that corporations are persons and therefor have rights that if there just happens to be a loop hole in the law, are more important than the rights of an actual person.
     
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