North Korea threatening to attack Guam

My bad, Bosnia, Serbia, It's the same place to this ignorant foreigner.
Yugoslavia.

The F117 figures I can add to.
One was shoot down, but another flying with it was also hit and although it made it back to base, it didn't survive the landing.

While their technology is old, I don't truthfully expect NK's to be much newer.
But who knows. On paper, it's the same weapon systems.

 

Well for that I don't blame you. Same people, same language and was the same country.

 

We all know the past US assurances.....

 

Right, let's compare 90s technology to today's technology and make it the same? And let's compare the rules of engagement and corridors flown in Bosnia with open warfare in NK. It's all the same if you have no idea what the frack you're talking about. The imbecilic posts on this forum would be laughable if those same people didn't share in shaping our democracy and even fill our Congress with their ignorant slant. Jees Louise at the sheer lunacy of some people who have the right to vote.

 

There wont be an open war in Korea. You have China and Russia there. Be sure that there will be "corridors" there also. And you sure wont have the same support today by your allies. The Tech you are talking about, yes you cant compare its straight up. But North Koreas army is quite a bit larger than the Bosnian Serb one. You sure have a greater enemy than you had in Bosnia that is sure.

 

Then we level them first, right?

 

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From the second America attacks North Korea, Russia and China will deploy AA forces to Korea.
We know this. because when Trump shouted "Wwwwwwwaaaaaagh". they blinked.
They all paniced and deployed them instantly to the border.
Russia sent it's flagship to South Korea.
The one with that says "**** off or I'll nuke you" in Russian on the side of it.

And that is the model for nuclear powers, we use our armies not to fight each others armies, but to block them.
We place our allies under our nuclear umbrella by deploying amongst them.
To kill them you must start a nuclear war with us.
A blocking manoeuvre.

 

If a war is started I don't honestly think that Russia will do so much in case of North Korea.
China will for sure. The best scenario would be if China with Help from USA erase fat Kim and that USA withdraws from North Korea all together and leave it to the Chinese. Otherwise we will just have another Vietnam. A war that USA will never win. And I honestly don't know why it should win it.

If fat boy Kim is gone everyone is happy. China wont be angry to have USA at it's border and USA will be happy to not have a nuke pointed at them. All China cares about is its influence in the region and it's trade with NK.

 

I see more, Kosovo scenario. War is declared/attack is initiated and rapid reaction forces from China and Russia zoom for Pyongyang. Race the Invaders there.
They go in under the same UN mandate as USA, but on the opposite side.
Like in Ukraine. It kicks off and everyone rushes in not just Russia.
US and UK at Kiev, Russia in Crimea or perhaps Donbass.

 

I have been wondering if the obsession with the Russian Collusion Illusion was turning sore losers into crackpots. Now I can see it has.

Seek help before you ram innocent pedestrians.

 

A good example of Baff barf

 

As seems the usual reply to any critique of Trump from his worshippers, rather than discuss the issue the preferred tactic is to throw insult at the individual who brought it up.

 

Trump Haters and Baiters have little else than personal insults for the man who made fools of Hillary, her friends in the mass hysteria (I mean media) and THEM last November. They are just being paid back in their own coin.

If they cannot take it, they should not dish it out.

 

Ahh...the second tactic, divert to HillBill, Obama, or whoever the flavor of the week on Fox happens to be.

Care to actually discuss my comment?

 

My topic was the Russian Collusion Illusion (remember that old chestnut?) has turned last November's losers into today's crackpots.

You non-responded.

 

Okay....we can discuss that. An investigation is taking place as we type and collusion, fraud, illegality must wait until it is complete. This is how EVERY investigation works, evidence is gathered, individuals questioned, charges developed and put forward....then and only then are conclusions drawn and cases instigated. Just as I cannot claim guilt at this stage you cannot claim innocence.
My commentary however did not involve legalities as much as attitude and action displayed domestically and internationally that simply do not represent what is considered "Good" or even acceptable by most humans.

 

Why is it that Trump and his supporters all think in terms of knee-jerk reaction-ism? Right now we're not even TALKING to N Korea. How can you resolved differences without even talking to an opponent? Why is the choice we're making simply refuse to have any dialogue, but constantly increase the mindless threats flying in both directions? Is that what has become our concept of "leadership"? This week China announced it would work with the U.S. to convince N Korea to tone down the rhetoric, but if the U.S. made a pre-emptive strike against N Korea first, China would support N Korea against the U.S. Would you support a pre-emptive strike against N Korea if it means war with China? NOT ME.

 

So.. you not sail your warships close to their military bases and flying spy planes over them, and... you don't have a big fleet out there in a sea where no big fleet is needed unless... you want to fight the Chinese. And they didn't just uncover a US spy ring and.. you don't fly spyplanes all over them... and your presidents and populace never ever ever talk of war with China, or Rivalry or sanctions, and you don't call them commies and protest about their leaders when they state visit and you don't militarily support a breakaway of China called Taiwan against them and their rivals in all of their fisheries disputes, even Vietnams FFS. Vietnam!....and you don't support the living god of Tibet in preference to them and sponsor and advocate for sedition in their country, and you don't seek military alliance with all their traditional enemies like, Korea and India and Japan.... because let me tell you something, you do all.

Obama made the East his new focus instead of the Middle East. And it wasn't North Korea he was mouthing off at.
And you want the Russian out of Syria and talk all aggressive about them too. Constantly. Sanction them.
Your are facing off with them in Ukraine on their own border. Building ever bigger alliances against them. Now you want to be doing it with China. You are just plum mad. You think we are all dumb.

You think we are stupid mate. You really do.

How short do you think everyone's memory is?
Count the number of times you have had nice things to say about Russia. Do the same for China.
Who are you trying to kid.

Your "I'm all innocent face"? Do me a favour.

Tell me about Putin, Tell me about Whoever is the current Mao. Say something nice about them that tells me you are on their side.
And if you are an American, you can't. It's political suicide. Because you view them as your enemies, as a danger to you.

Taking your jobs, undercutting your currency. Polluting your planet. Child enslaving. Repressive. Corrupt. Tyrants. Uninventive.
That is how you think of the Chinese, and that is why you speak of them this way. And you've made no secret about this at all ever. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else, including....the Chinese.

You are not their friends, you just want them to kill someone for you this week.
Next week you will be trying to get someone to kill them.

 

Well, we don't what's going to happen. Hopefully Xi Zhu Xi will stop this madness but it appears China is in part directly or most likely indirectly helping with the missile program. As an aside, these are very old 70s missiles using liquid fuel but if they somehow 'came' from China inventory by any means then that is disturbing. These are accusations I've heard from a former high profile 4 star general which does NOT make them true.

There won't be corridors although NK has only one main road from the south up into the country and most of the AA and SAMS are along that corridor so we will be attacking that. They will soften that, if they attack, with ALCM/SLCMs first then Wild Weasels and bombers as well as ground attack fighters to finish. I don't know how to say it well enough obviously but their radar is not of the type to help them defeat the Wild Weasels. And as one stated just leave them on is just an invitation to here I am kill me. AA needs to come on and fire surprising the plane otherwise a miss invites a counterattack. Our planes remember where that radar is; it doesn't need to stay on.

Their army is of no importance at all. It has little role in fighting for air superiority although they may have enough shoulder fired missiles to create a problem. I don't know anything about that. The standing army is merely something to deal with once the initial part of the war is over. They cannot fight above ground or they will quickly die under barrages from primarily B52s and B1Bs although the entire air force puts them at risk. Going underground is problematic over time for them.

It will be important to take out Kim and his command structure in overt and covert ways simplifying the mission; if possible.

 

Iraq's leader Saddam probably claimed he had advanced weapons of mass destruction for defensive purposes too--but we all saw how that worked out. Many Westerners are very self protective and have a fairly low risk tolerance. This could be a cultural difference that could result in some dangerous miscalculations.

 

You should send that in to the Onion.

Unless they already are acting out to support Chinese expansion.

 

I could see England in its heyday having that goal. IMO most Americans have a positive regard for the Chinese people and would not want to see it destroyed.

 

It worked out by US invading Iraq, eliminating the leader, creating unstability in that region, ISIS, Syria, and millions of refugees.

Folks in America are impatient, interpret things in negative way. They have severe Schizophrenia condition.

They have basically nothing to do, nothing to pursue except creating problems that can give some excitement to their life.

US creates all kind of horrors globally, but it doesnt mean there are people with senses living here.

When they feel danger to their lives, US will stop its behavior of disturbing peace in other countries.

 

Our tech guys love to speculate,and what is the harm? This site is recreational for many.