Nurse Arrested for Refusing to Violate the U.S. Constitution (Video)

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  1. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    How hard would it be to get the electronic warrant? My niece is an ADA in New York City and when she needs a warrant she contacts her paralegal, they pull out a basic form, types it out, sends it to any judge with a rush if needed and that can be any judge who is available even a Small Court Judge or Traffic Court Judge and sends it to the party it usually takes an hour during the day for ordinary warrants like to draw blood or do a search. Or they will draw the blood to type him and the medical records are accessible later by warrant. There is no excuse for what he did once informed of the policy.
     
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    and in this case, he was the victim of the car the cop was chasing, the guy in that car died, so they turned to the victim Truck driver that he ran into
     
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    that video is just crazy, obviously the Truck driver should of been the last person they were trying to get blood from
     
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    Yes, the video is crazy. There is a 3rd police vehicle coming in the opposite direction with it's lights on that passes the truck which means it was over in the far left lane. The suspect then veers over two lanes in order to hit the truck.

    I have to wonder if the 3rd police vehicle did anything that might have caused the suspect to veer off course and collide directly with the truck over in the far lane. At the 8 second mark there is something in the road. If might be part of a shredded tire that caused the suspect's vehicle to swerve.

    Yes, this is just speculation but since others have suggested that the police were trying to cover something up that might be part of it.

    Not only is the accident video crazy but so is the video of the way the cop behaved in the ER.

    Something is not right and I do hope the investigation clears it up.
     
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    I wont hold my breath, sadly often the worst that happens is they get a paid vacation for a year and then fired
     
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    From what I read the person in the hospital was hit buy a car driven by a man they were chasing.

    If he was to draw blood I don't think it would have been to convect the person of anything. I think it would have been to suggest they were not sober so the police could then deny any civil compensation that the person is due.

    I don't see why else he would be so insistent as to jeopardize his job his pension and really his freedom because this can be considered criminal offense.
     
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    This officer clearly violated a citizen's rights it was seen on camera, his actions were not at all Justified so I'm willing to bet he's cut loose.
     
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    I agree with everything that has been written about the officer (who should be fired) and the disgraceful and embarrassing behaviour towards the nurse but why does everything like this have to result in a suing case. This irritates me and unfortunately this culture has also reached the UK!
     
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    Also, the nurse was kinda fat.
     
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    As a former Olympic Alpine skier, I'm betting that she's in pretty good shape!
     
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    Yep. Precisely this.
     
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    Of what relevance is this?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Simply because the united state supreme court concluded that a breathalyzer test does not constitute a search under the fourth amendment, and does not require a warrant, does not change the fact that is indeed a search of your person, being administered at the discretion of the officer.
     
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    agree, I think they were hoping he smoked a joint in the last month, so they could say he smoked marijuana or something, thus protecting them in a civil suite, sadly the law has not caught up on th prohibition of marijuana yet and police can abuse this to get their way
     
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    she was a emergency burn unit nurse, takes a good person to do that kinda job
     
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    It's disturbing that people now consider history and science a sham because they weren't there to witness it themselves (or aren't smart enough to understand what they do witness). If we had to rely on personal experience to be confident in everything then we'd never make any progress. Fortunately we stand on the shoulders of those who were neither gullible nor suspicious of every fact they encountered.
     
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    There are a lot of lawyers and police offers who agree with me. I guess you don't have much patience for people with knowledge of this field. Here's but one example of many:
     
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    What you described can also happen during detainment.
    It was wrong whether it was detainment or arrest, and she should sue the state or the PD for it. But if I were her I would not consider myself as now having an arrest record.
     
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    We were talking about news not science or history. Way to move those goal posts.
     
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    Again I stated facts. This isn't an argument.
     
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    The problem with such, however, is that the officer in question stated that he believed he was authorized to engage in such activities under the old standard of law, meaning he was unfamiliar with the new standards of law that were in place at the time. Because he believed his actions were justified, he is shielded from any legal wrongdoing by the standard of qualified immunity. Even if this matter were to make it to the united state supreme court, they would simply repeat what they have said before, and clarify that any violation which occurred was either not intentional, or was not done with a malicious intent.
     
  22. Polydectes

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    It was arrest. There can be no argument about that.

    Well of course she doesn't have an arrest record they don't have to record it for it to be an arrest arrested means you're no longer able to leave.
     
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    What you would find on a search would be admissible in court. A field breathalyzer is not.
     
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    Making the test no more viable or valid than a faulty drug detecting canine with an extremely high false positive rate. It exists for no other reason than to manufacture probable cause for a law enforcement officer, thus bypassing the need for obtaining a warrant.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, your exact words were...
    I'm not moving goal posts, I'm responding to your bold claim. Furthermore, history is not much more than really old news... applying your comment to history is quite reasonable. And the reality is that despite what you personally meant, many people apply that extreme skepticism to everything these days - including and especially science. So no one is moving goal posts, you are just getting strangely defensive for no reason at all.
     

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