Hungary Will Vote On 'Stop Soros' Legislation

No question there are lots of halfwits out there who will believe anything.

How George Soros Became The Right's Biggest Boogeyman - Vocativ
www.vocativ.com/412237/george-soros-right-boogeyman/index.html
This article does not attempt to determine whether Soros is simply a billionaire investor who supports liberal causes, an evil mastermind worse than any Bond villain Ian Fleming could have dreamed up, or somewhere in between. It simply provides a brief history of how he became one of the right's obsessions.


Was George Soros an SS Officer or Nazi Collaborator During World
https://www.snopes.com/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/
Claim: During World War II, George Soros was a member of the SS (a Nazi paramilitary organization) or a Nazi collaborator who helped confiscate property from Jews.
Claimed by: Internet
Fact check by Snopes.com: FALSE

 

I wonder how closely Soros works with the CIA?

 

This thread is FAKE NEWS. Simple as that. Here is the paper which this is about.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/19...hance-to-fix-its-refugee-policy-george-soros/

It is an amazing paper - I don't know if he wrote it himself but well thought out and a plausible basis to sort out the issues so that the world could continue along the way that Western Liberal Democracy was going prior to 9/11.

What Soros suggested is NOT what the OP says as you will see if you read it. Further what the EU has done is also far from what Soros suggested as again you will see if you read what he actually suggested. His way is not what the EU has been doing. Had the EU been doing so Greece and Italy and Greece in particular would not now be in the situation it is in now. He also clearly says that that taking refugees must be voluntary not coerced so not what the EU is suggesting. This is just such gross Fake News that you wonder what the hell is going on in the world - except I spent some time doing some research last night and it does seem that this is some sort of transatlantic extreme right affiliation and as I said yesterday it is heading towards the 1930's with all its ugliness.

and here is the site where I got the link to the Soros Article

What are Soros’s solutions to the refugee crisis? Not what Orbán claims

 

Well done.. Thank you..

 

I think it was Timothy Snyder who said that fascism instead of seeing problems which must be met and resolved, projects them on to the 'other', enemies which need to be destroyed. Hence in the current crises of Globalisation instead of genuinely meeting and addressing the issues and trying to resolve them which Soros attempts in that article, everything is projected onto the other whether that other is the refugee or the migrant or even another country.....and in reality that holds true for the EU and the Democrats in the US as well and what Soros is speaking about in that article is what we, certainly Europe, need to address if we want to give to those who come after us an opportunity for a Western Liberal Democracy style of living with full rights.

 

FAKE NEWS ALERT!

 

Comparing Soros to Lenin? ROFL

More of your propaganda.

 

Oh, please.

 

There is no admittance of Nazi collaboration. Did you even listen to the video.

 

well I am not wasting my time watching another as your first was not true.

The dirty tricks that demonise George Soros

 

Alexis, George Soros is a very pleasant man, logical and very likable, but putting his personal charisma aside, he is an ideologue with a messianic vision of himself... and that is the problem. If it wasn't, he wouldn't be causing chaos everywhere with such abandon, so he coul bring about his liberal 'utopia' and one world government.

He's using his money to play god, and he's not God. It's pure 'hubris' on his part, and the part of his followers. This is why they cause so much death and destruction all over the world. I'm sorry, but the end doesn't justify the means.

 

I do not know him. What I do know is that his paper suggesting what Europe ought to do to settle the issue of both refugees and migrants was the most sane one I have read and absolutely nothing to do with what the OP is claiming he was after. I saw nothing of 'messianic' whatever in it. Quite the opposite and I understand he is in any case an atheist as was his father. Your problem with him is that you have been reading a lot of FAKE NEWS. There seems to be some sort of alignment with Russia wanting control of Eastern Europe and not liking Soros with his interest in genuine democracy and social justice seems to be where it began. As far as Hungary is concerned he even payed for Orban to study for his degree in England and has been providing much money to help Hungary. However with their drift to the far right this is drying up though he is still providing money to help those who are becoming in danger - LGBT, Jews, Muslims etc. What we seem to have now is an alignment of the far right. Soros, the Jewish Billionaire bogey man has been swiped up by some of the GOP - some of whom also love Russia. Ideologically the American far right are also in alignment with the East European countries which have moved that way and indeed those who have also moved to the extreme right in the rest of Europe....and of course Israel is in there with you too even though antisemitism unsurprisingly is rearing its head in these very same countries again.

and basically that is what I keep seeing on the boards, far right, hate Muslims, love Russia and Israel.

Basically Soros seems just to be the bogey man to lay all kinds of fairy tales on. What is unnerving is that people believe it when just a little reading will show it is not true. You read his paper I left a link to yet?

 

I heard about Soros over 20 years ago when he wrote something in the NYTimes and backed Fyrom in using the name Macedonia. Historically and culturally they have as much right to the name Macedonia as I have to call myself Queen Elizabeth. When Fyrom was part of Yugoslavia, Tito gave the name Macedonia to the territory with the hope of expanding into the real Macedonia in Greece, and grabbing the port of Thessaloniki.

A few years later I heard Soros speak to a group on TV, and he said he believed in a one world government and one world currency. More recently I read that he supports USAID which had a major part in overthrowing the legal president of Ukraine Yanukovich. I know that his NGO's are banned in Russia and Egypt, and I'm sure other countries as well. More recently the 40 organizations he supports in Fyrom have been causing a great deal of trouble and people were holding up signs saying: Soros out!

In the US his Open Society Foundation supports about 150 organizations. Because of these organizations, he has the most clout in deciding who our president will be. When he chose Obama, he pacified Clinton by telling her that she can run in the next election.

As for being messianic, I recall him saying in a video that when he was in Hungary helping the Nazis, he had this feeling about himself that he had to hide or people would think he was crazy. I interpret it as being 'messianic', and that he felt he was chosen for some special purpose.

 

Russia hates Soros because he is a Jew.

 

Let's just keep thing simple and to the point. In your OP you claim that Soros is trying to bring in 1,000,000 migrants into Europe each year. This is just rubbish but I have read it is part of the propaganda of the conspiracy theorists. I take it you have still not read the very article your op is based on which I have left a link to http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/19...hance-to-fix-its-refugee-policy-george-soros/

In this he gives a very sound basis for consultation on resolving the issues which were at the time he wrote it causing Europe problems with both Refugees and Migrants. These issues have not been addressed by the EU. Rather than demanding people be forced to take Refugees as you believe, he says emphatically, this must not be coerced. Contrary to what you say about him wanting to remove all borders he says Europe must gain control of them. What you are writing and sourcing is conspiracy theories and lies. Downright lies and as I said that can be seen by just a very small amount of reading. Your OP is conspiracy. He gives the objective for the paper near the conclusions which does indeed reflect what he has written.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/19...hance-to-fix-its-refugee-policy-george-soros/

Basically your OP is Fake News and that is what we are talking about.

Ok briefly. You hate Soros Politics. Right well lets look at what you are protecting. Let's look at the politics of Hungary.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...gary-right-trend-us-viktor-orban-donald-trump

He has since all but removed Freedom of the Press.

This is what you are supporting and trying to gain more support by presenting to the forum information which is Fake News. You may not have known that when you wrote it but you have since been provided with the genuine article. There is no excuse now for continuing with this false information.

In the article above which was written before Trump became President, the author points out that if people want to see where Trump is likely to take America they should study Orban's Hungary. This is an attempt at an alignment of the far right - begun with Russia and it's interests in Europe and now taken up by Trump's America. It ignores reality. As Varoufakis was saying in his new book I was reading last night, Russia simply must be unable to believe it's fortune in how the West is playing into its hands. It is an attempt to turn the West to the extreme right using minorities as bogey men rather than addressing and dealing with the very real issues there are.

 

OK Jeanette, now we have it clearly shown that the OP is Fake news, I will try and have a little look at what you say above, having had a rummage round for information.

I am not sure if you are aware of what Soros means by 'Open Society'. I will let him tell you. He also explains a little what led him to his beliefs which he admits are somewhat simplistic yet serve the purpose.

That then is what he sees as Open Society one in which those who are elected serve their people as opposed to authoritarian regimes wherein the populace must obey their rulers. He supports the first. He supports democracy. He does not supported authoritarian regimes. Now it is this difference which is causing the clash - that is authoritarian regimes and their supporters will not like Soros.

Now looking at Macedonia we can see that it is from incidents in Macedonia that the complaints against Soros and his Open Society Foundations emerge. This appears to stem from corruption including faking election results, mass surveillance and corruption. This has resulted in the President of the time Gruevski, due to facing a possible term in Prison refusing to admit guilt and instead is said to be taking his lines from Moscow parroting their words and laying the blame for everything on Soros ...i.e to save his own skin.

Now we get to the crux of the matter which is going on - the fight between those who want to spread authoritarian Regimes and those who want liberal Democracy of which Soros is one. Putin of course is of the authoritarian mould.

So if we take this to the point that unsurprisingly some of Trump's friends decided to grab a hold of this, we bring it nearer the present time. About a year ago the following US politicians Michael Lee, James M Inhofe, Thom Tills, David A Perdue, Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy wrote a letter to the US secretary of State complaining about 'US democracy Promotion activities'. They are complaining about activity in both Macedonia and Albania and asserting that these people are working in Albania to keep in the left of centre government and to help it take over control of the Judiciary. No evidence. Not even any names. Just this accusation.

https://www.rferl.org/a/george-soros-macedonia-witch-hunt/28243738.html

So lets get to it.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/28/soros-gop-letter-open-society-macedonia-albania/
and these are the people who you are supporting.

Now regarding offering resources as the Foundation for Open Society does - and please remember what Open Society is - it is Democracy where those elected serve the needs of the people. It opposes authoritarian regimes which repress the people and worse.

so regarding the US offering the resources you are damning the Foundation for Open Society for so doing this has long been an non partisan accepted part of US behaviour.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/28/soros-gop-letter-open-society-macedonia-albania/

Basically and this was written by the person in charge of the Open Society Foundation in Macedonia who is himself a Macedonian, the complaints are about the Open Society facilitating the ability for the people of Macedonia to work in a constructive political way - it is in no way telling them what to believe....and of course that the authoritarians who are opposing them are staunchly trying to stop critical thought which is one of the very basic necessities for democracy. We see this more and more on this forum. Trumpettes get so upset when people are critical of what the US is up to. Only a couple of days ago I noticed one telling a poster to leave for a non white country.

These are the issues which Soros is trying to fight. I find myself much in agreement with him. He does not just fear he believes we are moving back to another dark time of oppression like we had in the 30's. To him Open Society Needs Defending remember that to him Open Society is one where the Government looks after the interests of the people, that is serves the people rather than the authoritarian alternative.

I suspect you actually do favour the authoritarian society. You can tell me if I am wrong but I suspect not. Soros again is innocent of charges. He simply believes in genuine democracy and social justice and that is what the world is facing as I have said before - a transatlantic alignment to the extreme right. He is particularly concerned about the EU which he thinks went to hell in 2008 as you will see if you look at the above link. He sees Germany coming out of that as the winner and obviously that also means possible oppressor. We live in very demanding and dangerous times.

Oh by the way I heard about the 'Soros Out' marches as I was looking about - I seem to remember they were a bit of spin.

 

I heard Soros say about ten or twelve years ago, that he believes in a one world government and one world currency. That to me is total control, since it imposes one set of standards on everyone. In contrast, I prefer the Russian philosophical view that cultures are intrinsically different and that no one should consider their own standards as being superior, and try to impose them on others - which is exactly what George Soros and the other Washington ideologues have been trying to do with their NGO's.

No matter what George Soros might say about corruption in foreign leaders, the fact remains that he has supported the Clintons who are the most corrupt politicians in US history - but they are liberals, so it doesn't seem to matter to him. If we take it from there, then the NGO incitements to protest in foreign nations against corruption, is nothing more than a ploy to overthrow conservative leaders in order to forward a liberal and one world agenda.

If we are to judge a tree by the fruit it bears, then let's take a good look at the fruits of the American ideologues and what they have done in Ukraine, in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya. In Ukraine we have overthrown the legit president by saying he's corrupt, and are now supporting mafia families and Nazis. In Syria we are supporting terrorists and completely destroyed the country. The refugees and migrants coming into Europe are destroying the EU, and there is a rise in nationalism everywhere. These are the fruits.

 

You heard him say..... You do not know what he said. You have not even looked into what it was. You have just used imagination. Democracy is not about total control. Rather the authoritarian governments which you support are.

I seem to remember when I read about that it had something to do with the supremacy of the Russia way.

and you still have not got it. No it was not. What they were doing was facilitating them to find their own way. They were giving them the tools with which they could find what was right for them. Putin wants East Europe as part of his domain. He does not want them to become independent and successful. Hence to Putin without question Soros is a threat. He is a threat because he was working to empower people whereas Putin wanted to dominate them.

I do not know what you are taking about and I would bring to your attention that both the information you provided in the OP and later was Fake.

except they did not do that. That is more of your fake news. When people protested it was their choice. You have a problem with people not wanting authoritarian Governments? You have a problem with people speaking up for rights?

I do not support any of those. However that does not mean I support authoritarian regimes. I believe we need a massive reappraisal of our political systems. The US for instance I believe is already a plutocracy and may soon move into despotism or even fascism. Now here is the thing - plutocracy - that is the rule of those with the most, our Politicians serving first those with the most money, clearly is not what Soros calls an Open Society. That is one in which our Governments serve the needs of the people. You are making the mistake of suggesting it is either/or but it is not. Neither at the moment is working as it should. However you are supporting authoritarianism. You make foul accusations against others which you cannot back up. Frankly that is potentially dangerous.

not sure about Ukraine. I only followed it for about the first six months.

I have never agreed with the destruction of the ME.

No they are not and on this Soros presented a paper which if put into practise after consultation and all the usual could sort that situation out.

No they are not. That is what Governments who wish to run closed societies encourage. That is what authoritarian people want - a strong ruler to look after them. Someone who will throw aside the usual rules and keep them safe even for instance committing murder to do it as Putin has done. That is why those of the authoritarian personality love Putin or Trump and that is the destruction of Western Society and fascism. That survives by getting people to think in black and white ways and blame the 'other' rather than using ones intelligence to think through and sort out the problems. Now far from Soros doing what you say in the OP he thought through and presented a paper to the EU which suggested a way out of the problems. They ignored it. You however are unable to look at that, to allow that even into your awareness and continue to pretend he is something other than what he is even when presented with material which shows that is wrong. Why Jeanette? Is it not because the authoritarian society is more to your liking.

 

Nice to know that there are some European countries that have not completely lost their senses.

 

You like the politics of Hungary? Most of us had hoped we had left this all behind.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...gary-became-a-haven-for-the-alt-right/527178/


Orbán’s explicit praise of Horthy is a denial of Hungary’s fascist past

Hungary’s chilling plight could foreshadow Europe’s future

Democracy is on the brink in Hungary, so why is no one talking about it?

 

Left what behind? The desire for self preservation?