California movement to secede from US cleared to gather signatures

It doesn't need to. A sovereign state can leave a treaty unless the treaty says otherwise.

 

All of the states seceded from that treaty. It no longer stands.

And also: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

 

But as soon as they joined, they became the US rather than 11 destinct nations.

 

Huh? Each state did individually join the union, under both the AoC and the Constitution.

The States were recognized individually as sovereign and independent by the Treaty of Paris. These independent States voluntarily formed a Union under the Articles of Confederation. This confederation was dissolved with the writing of the US constitution. At that time, and until ratification, these States reverted back to their natural state of independent sovereigns.

Proof of this is the fact that only 9 States were required to form this new Union. There were only 10 States voting in the election of George Washington. New York hadn't fielded a slate of electors, but both Rhode Island and North Carolina had not ratified the constitution. They were not part of the United States. They were independent States and could have remained so.

 

Only might makes right. The South didn't have enough of that to be right.

 

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No they didn't.

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

 

The only States that unilaterally joined the Union were the 13 Colonies.

All the rest required Congressional approval.

 

the AoC is null & void.

USC superceded it.

 

Agreed. And the USC has no language forbidding any of the sovereign states from leaving the union.

 

USC doesn't mention that the States have the unilateral authority to leave the Union.

 

There were only 11 colonies. Delaware and Maine didn't exist as independent entities at the time of the war.

 

Yes.

 

nor did Vermont or Kentucky

 

Tejas, not “Tehas”. The j is pronounced like an h in Spanish.

 

Self determination is a human right. As long as things don't get violent, the Feds can't step in without violating international law (law the US has agreed to).

 

California has no right to unilaterally secede.

Their joining the Union required Congress' approval.

 

Indeed but nobody counts them as colonies. The other 2 colonies they got it to 13 were Canada and Florida.

 

In the end might makes right.

 

wrong

 

Damn shame that Pickett made that charge at Gettysburg. If Lee had flanked and gone straight toward Washington, many tens of thousands of soldiers wouldn't have been killed because the war would have ended in less than two more months.

Slavery would have become completely obsolete in no more than another 40 years due to evolving agricultural technology and machinery, and rather than support them for doing nothing, Southerners could have given the slaves what so many of them wanted -- a free trip back to their beloved Stone-Age tribal life back in Sub-Saharan Africa!

After the civil war, in California, however, they had something even better than 'slaves' -- they had the Chinese! The Chinese were tireless, disciplined, resourceful, worked for peanuts, and they never really complained. Laziness and worthlessness were concepts that were almost completely unknown to them. Too bad there aren't more Chinese in California today instead of all the lazy, worthless piles of human crap who inhabit "the Golden State" now....

 

China ain't going to like their haircut.

 

A sovereign state can do anything they want to do if they got the guts and fortitude, and other sovereign states are unable to stop them by force.

 

California will not go to war with the US military in order to be independent.

game....set...match.

 

When Grant planned he never thought in static terms of where Lee was or of taking and controlling particular real estate. He planned in terms of his best educated guess of where Lee would be. Then Grant never let up no matter what and had the quantity of men to keep the pressure up. Kill the enemy dead first and the real estate was there just for the marching in. Grant was first and foremost a killing general, as he should have been. Grant was a good soldier who killed every enemy that could possibly be killed, a damn good soldier willing to win at any cost. Grant was the best of the best