California movement to secede from US cleared to gather signatures

The same mechanism by which formed D.C. and West Virginia... I said that already.

 

Texas v White was a case about ownership of bonds. Though Chase's convoluted opinions brought secession into it, ultimately it was a peripheral issue and established no legal precedent as a ruling about secession cannot be made unless secession is the issue, which is not the case in Texas v White.

 

canada has already addressed this with an independence movement in Quebec...it's pretty clear there would be no civil war or military action to prevent it, it's a democratic process all people have the right to self determination and we've put it to a referendum , there is nothing to stop a 2nd referendum on independence...should the independence movement win a 2nd vote then we'll get on with the divorce proceedings in a logical civilized adult manner. We'll(canadians) be sad to see them go because they are an important part of our national identity but we respect their rights to do so and wish them well if that is what they choose to do.

 

Thanks, I didn't know that, I mean, this isn't the kind of stuff that comes up every day. With the numbers you cited, it would be impossible for California to get approval. On top of that, all the huge corporations located there would most likely spend billions lobbying against it.

On a more humorous note, if CA did break away, wouldn't it be ironic to see Americans sneaking into it claiming they want their country back?

 

She could be your president in California. VP could be Pelosi. Who could turn that down?

 

I know it's minor, but secession and succession are two completely different things.

 

Exactly, or they're not advanced. If they're 15 years ahead of us then I hope and pray they secede. I don't want a bankrupt third world country.

 

God knows I'm no supporter of liberal scum, but by virtue of the fact they are attempting the secession route, it is not illegal or without precedent, calling them traitors for this would be inappropriate. Of course considering them traitors for belief in an ideology based upon theft from hard working Americans would be totally appropriate...

 

0% tax for a decade for anyone HQed in CA and Apple, Google and Microsoft get seats in the legislature. Now you have billions lobbying FOR independence. Not saying that's how it'd actually go down but there are plenty of ways for CA to keep major industries from getting in the way. I'd also like to repeat a previous point I've made, if CA can leave without a war, they wouldn't be the only state bailing on the US. There are a lot of interests that would seemingly be opposed to succession that would in fact jump on the independence bandwagon if presented with a Russian sized economy taking hold in a rump US.

 

Okay, so you can't show me the language that says "permanent".

 

spell checker and I missed it

Thanks 36.

 

Can you show me the language in the constitution that says this?

 

ok buddy, how does a State legally leave the Union?

 

Language DOES exist for breaking up states. Succession would be the same except the entire state would be replaced by a new political entety which wouldn't be applying for statehood.

 

It notifies the union that it is leaving and then it leaves.

 

That didn't work out for the CSA.

 

LOL...

where does the Constitution says its that simple?

 

That's not the language I was asking about. There's no language the forbids any state from leaving the union unilaterally, at will.

 

We're talking about the law here, not brute force.

 

Where does it say that a state can't do that?

 

Then the civil war wouldn't have happened.

 

Texas v. White shows that a part of the USA may only legally secede with the consent of the other states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

If a state or part of a state thinks they can just leave without the rest of the nation having a say, they are dead wrong.

 

No territory may join the Union without the consent of the States.

No territory may leave the Union without the consent of the States.

 

Can you cite the language in the constitution saying none of the countries may abandon the treaty?

 

LOLOL.

the Constitution sets up no legal mechanism for leaving the Union.

SCOTUS has determined that the only way a territory can leave the Union is the same way it can join the Union.

by the consent of the states.

dont like it? tough luck.