Could There Already Be There An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

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  1. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's already in place. Where's your indictment?

    Trump launches unprecedented reelection machine

    Under the plan, which has been in the works for several weeks, the Trump reelection campaign and the RNC will merge their field and fundraising programs into a joint outfit dubbed Trump Victory. The two teams will also share office space rather than operate out of separate buildings, as has been custom.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/trump-machine-swallows-rnc-1067875
     
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    There's no political points to be gained by going after a president after he leaves office, we see that now with Obama and Clinton. Once these people are has-beens they get to skate.
     
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    Run for office? It is bizarro world that this monstrosity is allowed to be there in the first place.
     
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    The dog catcher in Manhattan has a better chance at being re-elected than Trump at this point. Still more to come, stay tuned.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emb...-dissolve-agreement-york-ag/story?id=59884847

    Embattled Trump Foundation agrees to dissolve itself in agreement with New York AG
    The alleged conduct, Underwood said, “amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”
     
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    The article states it's a fight over a witness subpoena.....not sure how that gets to an indictment...
     
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    Except that it's not about political points, it's about holding elected officials accountable for their crimes.

    But then again, looking at it from your PoV, it's an easy position to take because the actuality of the outcome won't be until he is out of office, which will either be in 2 years or 6. Either way, you can make any claims you want without having to worry about reality proving you wrong (or right for that matter).

    It's the perfect argument that has no conclusion (which isn't really the point is it? Questions raise doubts. Answers destroy doubt. Yet doubt is what keeps people angry and active)
     
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    You obviously don't know the difference between a witness and a defendant. A witness can claim the 5th, a defendant isn't required to testify or answer any questions at all.

    All Mueller has are charges against other potential witnesses which makes their testimony worthless since he has decided to charge them with lying. You don't burn your witnesses credibility if they have something to use against Trump. Mueller burned them to the ground because they didn't have what he wanted now they are useless.

    There hasn't been a single shred of evidence provided for any collusion with Russia or any other evidence provided against Trump. All you have are theories. Dozens of indictments? Hundreds of Charges? Against who? Now your just making stuff up to try and make a big deal out of nothing because thats what you have, Nothing.
     
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    Oh, now we have a slew of individuals proven to have colluded with Russia? How much is a slew and who are these Russian collaborators?
     
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    I am a practicing attorney. So I know a great deal. Both witnesses and defendants rely upon the 5th as a means for refusing to testify or to answer certain questions. But like I said, if Trump has reached the point where he needs to rely on the 5th, then he has already lost.

    Getting witnesses to swear, under oath, that they committed the crime of lying (especially if done at the direction of the person against whom they are testifying) and would accept their penalties in exchange for cooperation does recoup any lost credibility. And again, if trump is at the point where a jury is weighing the credibility of the witnesses testifying against him, then he has already lost.

    If you wish to see a complete run down of the four people sentenced to prison, the one person convicted at trial, the seven guilty pleas, the 36 defendants, and the 100+ criminal charges that Mueller has brought - to date - then you can go here: https://www.npr.org/2018/12/09/6434...rge-so-far-from-robert-muellers-investigation
     
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    Who's the slew that have been locked up for colluding with Russia?
     
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    What's 'poetic' about this whole thing is Trump owes what ever happens to him to Putin. Had Putin not put trump in the White House he'd still be flying below the radar but those days are over.
     
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    You intentionally mis-read what I was clear about. I'll repeat what I said and you can read it again.

    "We have a slew of campaign, transition and administration individuals that have either been indicted, convicted and even locked up and have been proven to have colluded with Russia."

    You have conveniently forgotten that Paul Manafort is currently behind bars and George Popadoupolis completed his 2 week sentence in jail, Michael Cohen will serve 3 years in prison starting in March. Maybe you never even knew that Alex van der Zwaan also spent 30 days in jail then kicked out of the country. Rick Gates pleaded guilty and is still awaiting sentencing and in the meantime he's cooperating with the investigation. Then there's Michael Flynn who is in the process right now of being sentenced for the crimes he pleaded guilty to.
     
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    Judge to Flynn: "I'm not hiding my disgust. Arguably you sold your country out." :applause:
     
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    If Trump tries to shut down the investigation, the Congress will shut him out of power.
     
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    Really? What state requires a defendant to testify against himself?

    No practicing attorney would ever make such a statement. Recoup lost credibility? Laughable.

    More BS propaganda. If you are counting these Russian individuals as witnesses or defendants then I know you are not a practicing attorney. As far as guilty pleas you have tax evasion, failing tor register as a foreign agent, lying to congress, campaign finance violation, and financial fraud. No Russia collusion, no attempt to hijack an election, no Russian involvement, and no charges that have anything to do with Trump. Just a witch hunt gone bad.
     
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    One can hope.
     
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    Hope you remember this when your side comes up to plate.
     
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    With the deep state so loaded down with bias political hacks like Comey Democrats will never be held accountable to our laws. Globalist are above national laws. We are not qualified in thier minds to judge them.
     
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    Lmao I like how logical some of you guys try to put there TDS fueled “end of Drumpf” prophecies. “ yea he might not get impeached but after he is done his term , he is goin to jail”.
    Who exactly was proven to be colluding with Russia? Can you cite the actual charges ??
    Or is this pseudo Stalinist propaganda glorifying the fact our oh so impeccable intelligence agencies can lock people up for 2 weeks?

    You could have atleast had the honesty to admit the charges prove nobody was “colluding with Russia”. We know the old “trump cabinet has felons lol” gets played out , but only fanatics actually think they “colluded with Russia”
     
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    This is new,

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/mueller-probe-legal-foreign-owned-company-1068725

    Mueller appears victorious in mystery subpoena dispute
    The ruling offers the intriguing detail that the entity fighting the Mueller subpoena is a foreign-owned company, not a specific individual, as many had speculated.

    A federal appeals court on Tuesday ordered a mystery corporation owned by a foreign country to comply with a subpoena that appears to be from special counsel Robert Mueller.

    The three-page opinion released by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit is the latest twist in an opaque dispute that POLITICO and other media outlets have tied to Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The ruling offers the intriguing detail that the entity fighting the Mueller subpoena is a foreign government-owned company, not a specific individual, as many experts had speculated.


    But the ruling also still leaves many important aspects of the fight shielded from public view, including the kind of work done by the company, the name of the country that owns the firm and just what information is being sought. The order also offers no direct confirmation that the matter involves Mueller’s team.

    In the opinion, Judges David Tatel, Thomas Griffith and Stephen Williams unanimously sided with a lower federal district court in Washington, which had rejected the company’s attempts to quash the subpoena.
     
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    Great news.
     
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    There could be space aliens colonizing the dark side of the moon too.
     
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