Why can't the market deliver healthcare at a low cost?

Maybe you didn't read it. It doesn't address single payer, or any particular system of healthcare, and it doesn't compare single payer with any other alternative healthcare system. It ranks countries according to 5 criteria the authors chose. It also doesn't have anything on the paper itself that indicates that it has been peer reviewed. Not that peer review is all that impressive these days.

 

The VA is not single payer. It’s government run healthcare. Single payer would be Medicare.

I didn’t post an opinion piece. I posted a peer reviewed study.

 

This is a “nuh uh” argument. Let me know when you can post a peer reviewed paper disputing mine.

 

Yep, like a hamster biting its cage and you looking gooey-eyed

 

An opinion piece by a biased author and a WHO study that doesn't address the topic. Your argument is invalid.

 

You couldn't. You haven't created any coherent economic argument and therefore you can't test hypothesis. Econ 101 on health care remains very very silly effort!

 

Single payer is govt run. They make all of the health decisions and there is no alternative.

That may have been based on a peer revied study but what you posted was a pure opinion piece. Maybe a summary or conclusions paper of the study.

 

so you go from obfuscation to... this?

Dude, I think I see the problem. Your ability to formulate an argument is suspect.

 

Short answer? Healthcare isn't made in China.

 

I referred to economic reality. You just became a cheer leader for the alternative. I'm not going to criticise. I'm sure you jump in the air like a good'un.

 

calling me a hamster biting a cage is not economic reality. It's a stupid pejorative that doesn't say anything.

 

I didn't. You perhaps need to improve your reading skills.

Sounds like you've deliberately supported a nonsensical argument in order to attack me. Gosh. Why didn't you actually think up an argument?

 

that's a direct quote.

Anyway, I can see there's nothing behind the big words you use.

 

That you can copy and paste is wonderous! Will you be doing evening classes on it? If so, check out the English class next door. They'll be able to inform you of meaning. God bless.

That you're pretending superiority after supporting an idiotic response and then failing to understand simple English is great! You've been helpful.

 

“Nuh uh” isn’t an argument or rebuttal.

 

No, that is not single payer.

Then you didn’t read what I posted.

 

I don't think anyone is proposing expanding the VA system. It was dead when it tried to service every VET everywhere, for everything.
That's not to say it couldn't work if we nationalized everything, but that is socialism.

 

Yes, it's single payer. The government is the single payer.

 

And there you go, friends. When pushed, all he has is pejoratives.

Just hiding behind big words that he doesn't even understand himself.

 

Don't you think those things would show up in the total?

 

No, pharmacists here offer a choice between subsidised medicines and those that are more expensive. As to nights out on the town the medical and pharmaceutical committees who make these decisions in Australian are constituted in such a way it would be almost impossible to bribe them.
I’ve yet to hear of a single instance but we do hear of arguments between manufacturers and the committees about cost. The govt committees invariably win. Herb Tarlek wouldn’t enjoy ‘doing business’ in Australia.

 

I'd be interested in hearing how you guys have managed to keep bribery and corruption so easy to contain.

You think you've managed to figure out how to stop people giving your government officials cash?

I'd love to hear how you managed that! lol!!!!!

 

Uh oh, not so sure are we?

 

Despite such impressive spending growth, the report noted, R&D comprises only a small fraction of overall US healthcare spending. The report’s authors estimate that the total healthcare spend in the United States reached $3.5 trillion in 2016, with R&D comprising just 4.9% of that amount.
https://www.researchamerica.org/news-events/news/us-medical-health-research-spending-rise-how-long

Do you really think they are doing R&D out of the kindness of their heart?
I don't think so.

 

No. I think when they say total they mean total.
But even if they left one of those out they would leave it out in both cases of the comparison.
But even if they cheated - what data do you have on the total cost of those services?