Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

Wher eis the proof that it was an Iranian and that it was there filmed at this time?

Sorry ... your country has a well-known and too long history and raputation of false flag issues!

 

1. The truth is free and a beautiful thing

2. Stop running away, just admit you were wrong.

 

Really? Like when? Except for the fact you don't want to believe it?

 

What, you prefer 'alternative facts' to the truth? No they wouldn't hand over USL, they demanded endless proof and even then only offered to hand him over to the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation.

 

Course they did;

Saddam had about 5000 nerve agent bombs and shells from his 1990s stockpile, he could easily have provided it to any number of the terrorist groups he supported and they could have smuggled it into the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
Saddam continued to develop (but not manufacture) chemical weapons whose sophistication shocked inspectors and were still lethal enough to poison the troops who found them a decade later.
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html#sect3
Saddam maintained his vast Uranium stockpile and never lost his desire to attain WMDs, despite the fact he could have sold it on the civil nuclear market for tens of millions of dollars (as the post liberation Iraq's democratic government later did).
www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.XKMfuPZFzIU
Saddam did have connections with AQ, meeting up with them to see if he should sponsor them but turning them down as too wild for him. No one EVER claimed Saddam was behind 9/11, that was a link people made in their minds but not by the administration. The worse you can accuse the administration of is believing what they wanted to hear from the Iraqi exiles, just like in the first Gulf War? Remember the Kuwaiti nurse who gave heartrending testimony of the babies who died because the Iraqi soldiers stole their incubators? Turned out all to be baloney and she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador? But who wouldn't tell a few white lies to be liberated from a tyrant?

 

Nope, they're the heroes who risk their lives to protect Western civilization.

 

Nonsense;

Saddam had about 5000 nerve agent bombs and shells from his 1990s stockpile, he could easily have provided it to any number of the terrorist groups he supported and they could have smuggled it into the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
Saddam continued to develop (but not manufacture) chemical weapons whose sophistication shocked inspectors and were still lethal enough to poison the troops who found them a decade later.
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html#sect3
Saddam maintained his vast Uranium stockpile and never lost his desire to attain WMDs, despite the fact he could have sold it on the civil nuclear market for tens of millions of dollars (as the post liberation Iraq's democratic government later did).
www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.XKMfuPZFzIU
Saddam did have connections with AQ, meeting up with them to see if he should sponsor them but turning them down as too wild for him. No one EVER claimed Saddam was behind 9/11, that was a link people made in their minds but not by the administration. The worse you can accuse the administration of is believing what they wanted to hear from the Iraqi exiles, just like in the first Gulf War? Remember the Kuwaiti nurse who gave heartrending testimony of the babies who died because the Iraqi soldiers stole their incubators? Turned out all to be baloney and she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador? But who wouldn't tell a few white lies to be liberated from a tyrant?

 

Anyone who studied the issue knows the opposite, no one made up anything, they may have bought the disinformation of the Iraqi exiles but there was no conspiracy, if you were actually familiar with the congressional committee's findings you'd know that. Saddam never lost his desire for nukes and still had his uranium stockpile and plenty of nerve gas stashed away.

Come on, it's over, the threat of Saddam's WMDs was very real, it's just he didn't have an active manufacturing programme.

 

The proof the speedboat was filmed at this time (when the undetonated mine was removed) is the video itself. While it is true we don’t have evidence the boat was Iranian, it looks a lot like ones they use, but there is a possibility it was a replica of an Iranian boat and that the crew were just disguised as Iranians.

I find it easier to believe Iran attacked the tankers because they’ve done so before, have threatened to do this, have the means to do so, operate these boats in this area and seek to dissuade any attack against them by showing they can close the strait.

I find it difficult (though not impossible) to believe a disguised mossad team replicated an Iranian speedboat and removed the undetonated mine. I think there is a misconception about the desire of Israel, the US and other countries in the region to attack Iran, and that this misconception drives the perception these tanker attacks are false flag operations aimed at justifying attacks on Iran.

Two tankers have been attacked, we’ve got video of the Iranians, they saw the video of the burning tanker and realized just one of the mines exploded, the other one was evidence they had to recover.

Had this been a false flag operation it would have been followed by a claim of justification and an attack on Iran.

 

No, just a false flag event that went wrong due to one of the mines not exploding. The crime scene was left unprotected for 9 hours even though US ships and US planes were minutes away - more than enough time to set up a disguised team to retrieve the mine

 

Really?

#1
The CIA officially admitted that in the 1950s it hired Iranians to impersonate communists and carry out bomb attacks on targets in Iran in order to raise the population against the democratically elected president.

#2
A former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and former head of Italian counterintelligence confessed that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and the CIA, carried out terrorist attacks in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s, blaming the Communists.... Keyword: "Gladius"

#3
The NSA admits she lied about the Tonkin incident in 1964. North Vietnamese were blamed for an attack on an American ship, but this never happened.

#4
Although the FBI now admits that the anthrax attacks were carried out in 2001 by one or more researchers on behalf of the US government, a senior FBI official said that the FBI was actually hired by the US government to make it Islamic To blame terrorists (here more info).
Government officials also confirm that the White House attempted to link the anthrax attacks with Iraq as a justification for a regime change.

#5
See blow

If you won't believe facts it is your issue ... but don'tstart to spread nonsense around that it couild not be false flag and that there were never false flag issue sby the USA!

Simply a lie .... and not proven!

And fact is that parts of the Bush administration wanted to blame Saddam for 9/11 ... even Rumsfeldt told that it could only be Saddam ... and he himself told this in an interview!

The US falsely accused Iraq of its role in the events of September 11, 2001. According to the US Secretary of Defense, this was one of the main justifications for the Iraq war.

Even when confirmed by a 911 commission that there was no connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, Dick Cheney said the evidence was "overwhelming." Today, the US government openly admits that the Iraq war was not waged because of 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction.

Facts ... Facts ... Facts ... and no blah blah blah US is the best and greatest and never evil!

 

It smell for Gulf of Tonking and for 2003 Iraq ... sorry! It does not only smell,it stinks!

 

It 'smelt', it doesn't at all, you just want to find some way to abuse the US.

 

1. Yep sure did, saved them from communism.
2. The Gladio networks sure but not a US operation
3. The Maddox did come under attack, she was supporting a commando raid at the time
4. You mean investigate?
5. See blow? What?

Yes proven, these are facts. No one ever justified the liberation by 9/11, that's just something whiners like to pretend happened. When did the US openly admit the liberation was not about WMD?

The US is the greatest (apart from Britain of course), it may be flawed but they are always the good guys.

 

Impudent statement ... communoism wasn't the topic, but fair acting of the Britsh American Oil companies who acted like a colony master what Iran did_#t well reasoined accept anymore.

Wrong! Implemented, trained and equipped by the CIA. as well being under their higher command!

Wrong!
The USS Maddox was deliberately and provocatively brought within the 12 nautical miles of the North Vietnamese territorial waters to provoke an attack. The command Raid (Operation Desoto) was the electronic interception and analysis of the enemy radar and radio etc.
Fact is that 3 North Vietnamese boats were trying to surround the Maddox ... within the North Vietnamese territorial waters near the islands of Hon Me and Hon Ngru. Then the Maddox called for an air strike and aircraft of the USS Ticonderoga fired at the boats. THE GOODS THE FIRST SHOTS! Only then did the North Vietnamese boats shoot back!

And the NSA admitted that they lied heavily here! What do you call the whole thing, eh?

No ... doine confirmations!

Sorry ... below I mean.

ROFL ... always the good guys! Nice joke with view on facts!

 

Lol ... and you want only to find a reason to make war with the Mullahs, eh?

 

I don't see the western governments wearing their Brooks Brothers suits as being civilized either. Look what they've done to Assange and Manning and so many more with their drones.

 

No, fighting communism, this wasn't the banana wars. Yes the CIA organised the Gladio networks but that doesn't mean they made the members indulge in terrorism. Yes but the Maddox was attacked.

What the hell does 'doine' mean?

The yanks are always the good guys, you want to find fault with all they do as they make a convenient scapegoat.

 

Of course many of them are. These folks for example.

You are conflating the regular worker with the bureaucratic Establishment elite at the top. I said this but probably could of clarified better.

Regardless - none of the above changes the fact that the talking heads for our intelligence agencies, Pentagon and so on - spew false narratives on a regular basis.

 

The Reagan Admin - and later Bush- continued to support Saddam both during after the chemical weapons attacks.

 

"harborting AQ has always been a nonsense narrative". The leaders of the Taliban denounced the actions of Al Qaeda with respect to 911 and had nothing to do with it. Actions against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the heat of the aftermath of 911 were justified - but not 18 years.

There are numerous other problems with the Establishment narrative. Saudi Arabia was arming and supporting Al Qaeda. In addition the ideology of these groups is Saudi inspired Salafi extremism - yet- nothing happened to Saudi Arabia. Why were they not attacked ?

Perhaps even more absurd is the fact that we armed and supported Al Qaeda - and other extremist groups of the same ilk - in Syria as early as 2012. What ever the reason we were in Afghanistan for nearly a decade prior - obviously we are no longer to concerned about Al Qaeda if we are arming them with sophisticated US technology as of 2012.

 

What civilization? We're killing everyone.

A more accurate term would be to impose our 'superior' Western standards on a world that doesn't see our Western standards as being superior. But then again, isn't that what the West has always done? I'm not disparaging the West since I'm a product of it, but this kind of mentality is why we have wars.

I'm known as Thor the God of War.
I fight on land and fight on shore,
and listen to the trumpets sound
while men are dying all around.

Their cries of pain I hear with glee
who cares about their misery,
for being masters of their fate
has driven us to scorn and hate. - Jeannette​

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This tall tale has a lifespan of the rock of gibraltar.
You linked the Taliban to Saddam Hussein.

Below explains the lack of support by Reagan and who the true hero really is. A now dead Democratic party congressman from TX.

 

I didn't link the Taliban to Saddam ? Regardless - I wish you would have expounded further on what you wanted to say about Reagan and Iraq's use of chemical weapons.