What is your idea for Dystopia?

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  1. fencer

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    So you eventually get to the "Brave New World" scenario where the State is creating all citizens in the lab.
     
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    Nope. Even that fails eventually. What you get is an odd progression in real life. Good times, followed by more and more government control which breaks things and produces an increasingly dystopian society as it tries to hang on to power followed by a dark age of apocolypse as things completely run off the tracks followed by another period of enlightenment and freedom.
     
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    By Brad Manuel?
     
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    Yes..
     
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    Thanks. Will add it to my list.
     
  6. JCS

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    We're at the mercy of one another.

    Are we going to cooperatively determine our own fate...or will we let the parasites do it for us.
     
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    You mean the bureaucrats?
     
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    The worst dystopia that I imagine includes everything that one could possibly want at the expense of the individual's authority over and responsibility for them self.
     
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    Like the monetary system, the bureaucracy is just a tool of the parasites. A parasite cannot function unless it has the tools to allow it to obtain what it needs to grow, and then to spread itself out when resources grow scarce.
     
  10. CCitizen

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    No. Just writing my own fiction.
     
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    Well, I am working on a story about Leftist Dystopia set in 2050s.
     
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    This is indeed Dystopia -- I believe all human life is precious.
     
  13. CCitizen

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    Thank you. In my opinion, Humankind will expand to colonize Space starting at the end of this Century. Only Time will tell.
     
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    I oppose guns as a Humanitarian -- I am not a Leftist, but I disagree with the Right on many issues.
     
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    I applaud your efforts and hope that you are successful beyond your wildest dreams. I sincerely mean that.
     
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    And I'm hoping it will remain fiction rather than prophecy!
    No need to destroy mankind ahead of nature's schedule.....
     
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    Hello, Cruel World

    Dr. Frankenstein, Igor and Henry embarked on a long and dangerous journey lasting July and August 2060. Many Science Fiction novels, short stories, films, and video clips from 1960s to 2010s depicted journeys undertaken in 2060. The heroes in these journeys travelled by spaceships. They were in constant danger of falling into Black Holes. They constantly encountered aggressive Space Aliens.

    How dangerous was the journey undertaken by Dr. Frankenstein, Igor and Henry? It was not a Space Odyssey -- it was mostly a trip on a multitude of Magnetic Levitation Trains around the World. Magnetic Levitation Trains are almost accident-free. Even robotic cars have a few accidents. Manually driven cars used extensively before 2030 had a much higher accident rate. The trains have comfortable seats with 7G Internet access.

    Yet the journey undertaken by the three friends was far more dangerous then anything envisioned by SF writers. Even though a Science Fiction hero supposedly had a high chance of falling into a Black Hole, she/he was guaranteed to be saved -- otherwise the movie or a book would have to end prematurely. Men on public transportation in 2060 have no such guarantee. They can be arrested and charged with felony for a very wide variety of offenses. Looking at a female passenger is Felony Sexual Harassment generally falling under categories of Male Gaze and Aggravated Male Gaze. Presumption of Guilt means almost 100% conviction rate. In USA, Aggravated Manspreading has been a felony since 2053. In UK and Canada it has been a felony since 2058 and 2059 respectively. Even though Dr. Frankenstein, Igor and Henry used wheelchairs, the offenses of Manspreading and Aggravated Manspreading applied to them as well. All sexual offenses described above carry the penalty of Potential Sex Offender Civil Commitment. That is much worse then what prisons were. If a female passenger asks a male passenger a question, he has to answer or be guilty of Emotional Abuse -- a felony. If he does answer, he can be charged with Mansplaining -- also a felony. Any male passenger entering or leaving a train car before any female passenger was guilty of Manterrupting -- a misdemeanor.

    The response of Criminal Justice system to the crime of Manspreading has undergone a significant shift since the offense was introduced in 2010s. In that decade it was considered a minor offense. The principal aspect of the crime was the fact that the male offender was taking up more then one seat. Manspreading was treated no more harshly then offenses like putting one or both feet on the seat. Even in that decade the Manspreading law was somewhat discriminatory -- none of female passengers who placed their purses on seats next to them have been charged with Pursespreading. As a man, I myself have committed a similar offense on multiple occasions in 2010s -- my bag rode on a seat next to me.

    In 2030s things got worse. A significant shift in Legal Theory occurred regarding the crime of Manspreading. Many scholarly works and PhD dissertations have been written showing that Manspreading is an act of Patriarchal Terrorism. Many colleges and universities began to offer courses dealing specifically with Manspreading. During the next two decades the crime was upgraded to felony and in some places like USA, Australia, and UK offenders became eligible for Potential Sex Offender Civil Commitment. The drive to commit more men for Manspreading was particularly strong in 2050s for reasons we will discuss below.
     
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    I am a man so I do not carry a purse. Yes, I have been guilty of bag-spreading on many occasions.
     
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    Thank you! Best wishes to you!
     
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    Nonsense. The bureaucracy is almost wholly unaccountable.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I hope your kidding. Once you get your foot in the door of the bureaucracy it become all but impossible to kick you back out again. About the only people who ever get fired are those who take a position at the top of their bureaucracy working directly for the president or the governor. Below that they are union boys and girls and short of getting jailed for a crime they are there till they die or retire. That's true at all levels of the bureaucracy state federal and local. How many people in that EPA fiasco that managed to pollute a watershed by inadvertently breaking a containment pond in a damn cave a few years back? Zero.
     
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    Preppers vs non preppers survival is the theme for my dystopian SciFi novel.

    Within the next decade with global climate change causes more droughts, famines and floods so that a weakened population is subjected to a series of epidemic and then two plagues.

    The initial plague phase decimates those in 3rd world nations by 90% while leaving behind a primarily younger and more virile population that is immune to the following plague variant. The westernized nations only suffer 5% losses owing to advanced medical technology.

    The plague lies dormant while it mutates and then strikes again 3 years later in a much more deadly variant that kills within 48 hours of first contact and is transmitted as an airborne virus. It is 99.9% lethal and reduces the westernized nations to empty shells.

    Inside of a week it is all over but those who are left fall into two categories. The preppers who hunkered down in their bunkers and refuse to leave for fear of a 3rd wave and those who survived the 2nd deadly phase of the plague because of their immune systems.

    The survivors regroup into smaller communities and take advantage of the technology that was essentially undamaged. They quickly put together a modern society using renewable energy and growing food on a sustainable basis. They start schools teaching the lessons learned and have top notch medical facilities and libraries. They reach out to contact the survivors in the 3rd world nations and exchange ideas and information and built a better world for the future.

    Interspersed in the narrative of the rebuilding are the stories of the preppers in their bunkers. By isolating themselves they have cut themselves off and therefore as their supplies dwindle they find themselves forced to forage. They are aging and some even suffer from dementia owing to long term isolation. They have a variety of medical conditions which would otherwise be treatable in the society set up by the other survivors but their paranoia prevents them from approaching. One by one the preppers die off either by disease, accidents or old age contributing nothing to the future of humanity on the planet.
     
  24. JCS

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    My error on the question. I should've been clear on what I was actually asking because I wanted to continue the theme on the parasitical nature of the ruling class elites and the institutions they create & exploit to shield themselves from public scrutiny.

    You were simply giving an account of the "unaccountability" of the fed. bureaucracy, which is a partial picture. The fed. workers may in large part be unaccountable, but that may not necessarily apply to the institution itself. Congress has the authority to create these agencies, and has the power of oversight & of monitoring the federal bureaucracy. Plus, the bureaucracy falls under the jurisdiction of the president who's responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress, including that of the decisions of the bureaucracy.

    If Congress and/or the executive branch doesn't responsibly carry out its duties, and the public refuses to hold THEM accountable, then naturally the bureaucracy will follow suit and continue as a reflection of this irresponsibility. Should we blame the boss or the boss's secretary? Naturally, the boss.

    Karl Marx also recognized the bureaucracy's counterproductive function in a democracy, in which it serves the interests of the private/corporate sector. He said,

    The capitalist state apparatus transforms state goals into office goals, turning office goals into state goals, and make the bureaucracy of its formal objectives guaranteed, and for that it contradicts the real goals. Within this bureaucratic apparatus, there is an autonomous movement that has no real connection to the needs of society. Thus, the separation between the state as a bureaucratic apparatus working for the capitalist class and the rest of the masses is realized.

    But I have a generally broader view. I see the bureaucracy not as the alpha parasite of the monetary system, but as a natural & necessary symptom or outcome of it. Of the various govt systems exploiting the monetary system as a tool for enslavement, capitalism seems to accentuate the bureaucratic quagmire the most. This I'd say is the advantage capitalism has over any overt tyrannical regime, as it functions as the perfect buffer against accountability for the tyrant.

    Fran Leibowitz summarized the capitalist dilemma succinctly:
    Capitalism destroyed communism. Capitalism destroyed democracy.

    Hardly surprising. Congress & the president, entrusted to create, oversee, monitor, and trim the fed. bureaucracy have sold out to the lobbies & Wall Street, and overall to the wider-reaching globalist agenda. The EPA is not responsible if they're DESIGNED to NOT BE responsible. The designers are responsible.

    And hardly an isolated case. It's the long sordid story of capitalism itself. When bad stuff happens, the bad people at the top get away with it...and it's by design. Keep the foxes guarding the hen house...and if anyone complains, tell them go take a dive in the bureaucratic swamp. The U.S. is afterall a corporation owned by the parasitic elites, and the people its slave-wage workers.

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    To your original question before I got derailed, when you asked if I was referring to the bureaucracy as the parasites, the answer is NO. I was referring more broadly to the owners who run the global banking network...ie, the old-money/trillionaire ruling-class families who rule the globe through the secret societies, the banks & financial institutions, the U.N., elected & nonelected govt officials, the courts, the corporations & defense industries, the religions, the media, and the consumer/market/slave-labor economy. Hence the reason that abolishing the monetary system (the food) is the best means of eliminating these parasites. The first step to this end is of course is to abolish the banking system.

    The identity of the tyrants has changed, but they are still around.

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    Sorry has nothing to do with capitalism has to do with government. Once you form a government you start concentrating power seeking asses. The economic system in play doesn't matter a damn. Power seekers always become corrupt for that is the nature of power.
     

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