More than half of French people think that our civilization will collapse

The source data is better to share than any single interpretation. I think it should be noted that the whole thing is based on an entirely self-selected on-line survey and it doesn't say how or where it was promoted. It refers to some unspecified balancing methodology but that would still require a decent cross-section to start with.

The actual survey also covered Italy, Germany, UK and USA and had some fairly similar results in many of the questions, meaning the focus on this saying something exclusively about France simply false. That seems to be what the customers for the survey wanted it to say though.

https://jean-jaures.org/nos-productions/la-france-patrie-de-la-collapsologie

 

Uh...what volcanoes are under Greenland? I know it's close to Iceland, which has quite a few and the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, but neither one is really underneath it.

And only two volcanoes are in Antarctica that I know of, Mt. Erebus and Mt. Terror. I've read nothing about increased volcanism in Antarctica or the world, which probably doesn't have even one million on the entire surface

https://volcano.si.edu/faq/index.cfm?question=historicalactivity
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-many-...s_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products

 

The French and civilization.

Face it.
The French haven't been leaders since their revolution.
No more Voltaire, etc.
Couldn't manage a canal and Teddy Roosevelt completed.
A different school of engineering between theory & can do.


Figure at least by the Battle of Waterloo, French influence on
the modern world took a back seat to the English speaking peoples.


Next question.

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I do think the French might just wake up in time to save their nation. Seen signs of that recently anyways.

Frexit anyone?

 

Frexit YES / Oui


Culture wise the French have to accept the role of major player
and not a world leader.



Moi

Viva Acadia liberte ​

 

Well France has insured their own destruction as a culture so no surprise they are worried .

 

Do you think there are other things, besides the fervent belief in terminal climate change, the have led to this widespread lack of confidence and abandonment of hope?

 

Oh bullshit too. it's not "young liberal hysteria" it's outrage and pretty well-justified outrage too.

If anyone is being hysterical it's the Deniers, telling us all that this shadowy cabal of environmentalists and socialists (commies to all the cons here) is trying to overturn most of the world's governments and institute totalitarianism on us all while we shiver in our candlelit basements due to their delight in watching as we freeze to death while they bask in overheated baths, BWAHAHAHAHA

The actual fact is that what's being asked generally is that we try to have more EFFICIENT methods of doing many things, That's all, nobody is saying that we have to stop doing things or be any less comfortable just try to be more efficient and to less wasteful

When did it become American to be profligate? It used to be that other countries bought our things because our machinery gave more for less, now our machinery is known to be wasteful and use lots of energy. The emblem of American automobiles isn't the small and efficient electric but the huge and fuel-hungry SUV. I'm told that many American cars aren't even LEGAL in other nations, they are so big and wasteful of fuel

There's really no justification for this whole thing, Even if you don't 'believe' in AGW wouldn't it be nice to be able to BREATHE as time goes on?

 

Wait and see how Quebec takes over first Canada, then Commiefornia.

 

The French media is pro French. America has plenty of issues that contradict with other nations interests. Just because two governments are democratic does not mean that their views on the world would be the same. Back in the 60s when I was in high school many nations disagreed with our policies of supporting south American and African dictators and our war in Nam, specially the French whom we replaced in Nam.

 

well said. Trump and his minions on the right will then decry other nations when they demand recycle content and made with such and such green energy content and we find our products not suitable for export.

 

CA is the number 5 economy in the WORLD. Quebec has a LOOONNGG way to catch up to that, as the whole of Canada is just number 20

 

We found out that just like the French, for whatever reasons, we were defeated in Vietnam also.

Very often strong-fisted dictators should be supported -- or pure hell chaos for the people living in that country follows (the old "I didn't think it could get worse, and then it got far, far worse after X was taken out").

 

very seldom are people not better off without a dictator. Are wars fought for freedom and do wars have associated costs, yes. But hose costs are borne for 5-10 years and what follows is usually much better. Regardless my point was our support for SA dictators that were put in place to maintain American commercial enterprises.

 

The only reason that the French didn't build the Canal was because of Yellow Fever and that was conquered once we realized it was carried by a germ carried by a mosquito. The Germ theory was first widely promulgated by the Frenchman, Pasteur

Given your signatures, I have to wonder how much of what you post is facetious. If it's not you need to read more non-military history.

 

That certainly was NOT the case in Vietnam, we overthrew a fairly mild one for a guy who thought Adolf Hitler was the bee's knees.

 

Iraq, Libya, and Egypt are far worse off after the Arab Spring.

 

It was actually a military junta that ruled South Vietnam until late 1967 with the photographed main man who changed often in the Saigon musical chairs being but a figurehead of the Military Revolutionary Council.

I never have figured out what the hell the USA was doing there except wasting blood and money. LBJ was the stupidest mf'n president ever to be CIC, dumb as a cypress knee.

 

Yes and no. France didn't knew any communist uprising, but the communist movement was deeply implemented in France, even if today the french communist parti became totally anecdotic, it was still a major force until the 90's.
I'm not sure anti american feeling in France come from medias, but more from communism. Furthermore, there is a lot of people of arabic origin in France, and globally, american and french aren't friends.
France is in appearance a paradoxe, we tend to be a partisan of an extremly strong centralized state, and that could root to the 17th century, and in the same time, we tend to dislike any kind of power. That could be a source of stupid anti american feeling.
Last point, I suppose it's the most anecdotic source of anti american feeling, but it could be a source, I live in a region where a lot of french girls were raped in 1944, people didn't talked a lot about that, I heard some stories in my family of a girl which commited suicide because of that.

Personnaly, I feel quite a gap between my way of thinking and the one of most american people. I know that gap with my own people, but it's wider with american. I think it's quite hard for american and french people to understand each other because of the cultural gap.

False dillema. First governements are already corrupted, and I don't appreciate aswell ecologist partis. It doesn't mean that kind of theory is right.

I'm not a liberal, I don't appreciate that much post-modernism, and nowodays leftism is post modernism incarnated.

I agree, the left love to emotionalize the problem. I think however that this theory of collapse go beyond some others. Most "end of the world" theories were mostly based on some mystic bullshit.
As far as I understand it, the theory could work beyond the problem of climate change, simply by looking at the problem of ressources ,the linl between GDP and fossil fuels consummed, the growing debt crisis and some other ecological issues than climate change, which are as important if not more.

 

All societies collapse. It's just a matter of time for each one. This has always been my biggest issue with nuclear power and weapons. It creates waste that lasts longer than any government has ever lasted so no one can honestly say that it can be stored securely.

I think it's interesting that at least in America there is a great interest in post moder society stories, some are zombie some are pandemics some are wars. But the common thread is simply pressing the reset button. I think we see the flaws in our society and even in ourselves and we fantasize about being forced to deal with those flaws. We imagine ourselves rising to the occasion doing whats right and providing for our families.

I imagine my wife and I traveling the country on foot or horseback on the constant quest from pharmacy to pharmacy searching for Levothyroxine to keep her alive. Hopefully previous looters won't be interested in that particular drug.

What a horrible fantasy though, such a scenario means the deaths of billions of people.
We better work pretty hard to keep society going.

 

That's a long time we got it. France had a major role until WW1, and there was still a few good things left after. There is still some brillant people in France, but we're just 60 millions people among billions other, our culture mostly became under american influence, and if maybe alive, lost most it's uniqueness.
Considering the mediocrity of education and philosophy in France, I doubt a lot of things will emerge from there.

 

It is curious. Our governments are certainly allies. France was the very first ally of the United States as we fought England in our revolution and still is a strong ally. Lafayette is an historic national hero here. Yet the people don't seem to like each other as you point out. I suppose WWII could be at the bottom of it all. You helped us in our revolution and we helped you against Germany in two world wars. We should be great friends. Personally I have some great memories of my visit to France. I loved seeing Mt Blanc, Paris and an evening dinner at the Chateau Moet in Champagne. The memories will entertain me for the rest of my life. Perhaps we will get over it.

 

I hope also that we will get over it.

 

Scottish scientists have found 91 volcanoes in Antarctica and consider it one of the largest volcanic regions in the world. Look it up! As for Greenland, I don't know of any volcanos but I do know that the ice is melting from underneath as well as from the top. I also know that the sea temperatures in certain spots rise way above that of the sea around them which means that some undersea volcano is erupting.

As for the volcanoes in the seas, take a look at the google maps. All those rising points are volcanoes. It's understandable though that there would be more volcanoes, since the oceans are much younger than the continents which means there has to be a greater release of magma. Frankly I believe in an expanding earth, which makes the fear of a rising sea level null and void.

Anyway Greenland was not named that as a joke by the Vikings, it really was Green. This means the earth had heated up after the catastrophic eruption of 536 AD that threw the world into the dark ages. So climate change is not a new phenomenon. Best to adjust to it, instead of using it for some political gain.

 

Our civilization will collapse, but not because of global warming/climate change.