Desecrating statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln is an effort to destroy history. Furthermore, under our Constitution ex post facto laws are prohibited. But, even if you knew what that was, you'd want to ignore it. Right? Regardless of who came up with the concept of international law (probably whites since they dominated the seas back then), it was established law and Muslim countries acknowledged it. Factually speaking, International law can be traced to cooperative agreements between peoples in the ancient Middle East. Among the earliest of these agreements were a treaty between the rulers of Lagash and Umma (in the area of Mesopotamia) in approximately 2100 BC and an agreement between the Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II and Hattusilis III, the king of the Hittites, concluded in 1258 BC.
It seems like I've heard similar arguments about various statutes and state flags. The mobs took care of that.
No doubt about it. And what does that have to do with the flag? Nada. I haven't even attempted to "rewrite history" but if you are so sure that I have maybe you could point out some quote of mine where I did? That would be really helpful. And there are millions of people around the world who see treachery in the U.S. flag ... that treachery is what the U.S. flag represents to them. Does that mean that the U.S. flag is designed with treachery in mind? Of course, you are talking about what the confederates themselves were thinking, right? Well, there are a whole lot of Americans themselves who think they should nuke the Middle East into oblivion. So, if your conviction on "what the Confederates had to say about themselves" is the yardstick of relevance then we'll have to take into consideration what the Americans have to say about themselves too. But no matter how you slice it you cannot find a single star, stripe, or colour scheme that represents slavery or treachery. I think you may have taken the wrong path in this discussion ..... right from the beginning. It's time for you to reconsider.
I'm not sure I see the difference. Many European countries, like Sweden (the country I was referring to) have a cross in their flag. It wasn't just a random pattern, it was a deliberate reference to Christianity (or the church). How should a Muslim in those countries feel about a symbol of (to them) hostile religion that represents the Crusades and conquest?
Confederate government, the battle flag’s meaning is inextricably intertwined with the Confederacy itself and, thus, with the issues of slavery and states’ rights—over which readers of Civil War Times and the American public as a whole engage in spirited and endless debate https://www.historynet.com/embattled-banner-the-true-history-of-the-confederate-flag.htm For those afraid of losing history if traitor symbols are removed, don't fear, history is recorded. The traitorsof the south will never be forgotten.
You can "intertwine" it if you like but the flag does not stand for slavery. It is not even meant to represent slavery. I can intertwine many things into most flags of the world (particularly the U.S. flag: racism for example - and the Jolly Roger for another example) but that ain't what the flag stands for.
I didn't intertwine anything. That was direct from History website. Much of the reason for civil war was slavery. It's in every secessonists states declaration. The flag represents those slave states that went to war against USA.
It doesn't matter who made the ridiculous insinuation because it is irrelevant and I have given ample reasons and support for why that is. Why do you insist on making the same irrelevant statement? I have given enough examples of U.S. treachery and the fact that it has nothing to do with the flag. Read my lips: IT DOES NOT represent slavery. It represents many things like southern cooking, hominy & grits, the Merrimack, biscuits & gravy, Country & western music, delta blues, Bourbon Street, Dixieland jazz music, jambalaya, moonshine, deep-fried crabs, blues, Cajuns, hickory nuts, pecan nuts, etc. When I see the confederate flag those are the things I think of. It never makes me think of slavery. I swear, some people seem to believe that displaying the Confederate flag (or anything at all resembling it in the slightest) will cause a resurrection of slavery! Duh.
Read my lips. Civil war big reason was slavery. History shows it. Secessonists documents show it. No war was started for cooking and music. The flag is a representative of something. In this case traitor states. Fighting for the right to own Black people.
One could consider that part of it but to say that's all it represents would be folly, same with slavery and the rebel flag is my point.
I am sure this will come as a great shock to you but the American Civil War ended in 1865 and they ain't nobody who's still livin' no how anywhere's who kin get hisself all reared up and ready ta' buy him some of them slaves you bin' talkin' bout. That there flag is from hist'ry. Do you know what hist'ry is? "Past events". Them there is things that ain't gonna' be no more 'n hoistin' that there flag ain't gonna' change nuthin'. So you jest sleep good tonite and don't fret yourself none cause slavery ain't a-gonna' come back no matter how high anybody waves dat flag. 'N even though it don't represent no slavery ..... it sure is a beauty ain't it?
I guess you missed the part where the south wanted to leave the union to protect states rights. That's OK ... nobody expects you to read the whole thing.
Guys, Symbolism is not a rational response based on reason or logic. Its an emotional response to visual imagery. Religious, political and national flags will elicit very different emotional responses based on who is staring at the symbol. So the same confederate flag will symbolize something very different depending on who you are, the culture and subculture you are raised in. What we will be debating here is not what it symbolizes because that is not uniform or consistent, but what we think it ought to symbolize. based on our understanding of history.
