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Biden the Winner

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ronv, Sep 29, 2020.

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For those who listened to the bits of factual reality...

    Biden said that he would do away with the Trump tax cuts and raise the Corporate rate to 28%.

    Many blue collar workers can kiss their restored prosperity goodbye.
     
    Esperance, Sep 30, 2020
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  2. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Trump to proud boys.
    Stand back, stand by.
     
    ronv, Sep 30, 2020
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    So those numbers aren't representative of the vote.
     
    crank, Sep 30, 2020
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  4. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    A substantial force behind many of his supporters here at PF.
     
    Grey Matter, Sep 30, 2020
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  5. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    No, but nor are they skewed by 50%.
     
    ronv, Sep 30, 2020
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Republican pollster.
    What people that like Trump's policies tonight saw was only what they don't like about Trump.
     
    ronv, Sep 30, 2020
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    More from the poll.
    covid
    b 64 t 34
    healthcare
    b 66 t 32
    race
    b 66 t 29
    Economy
    b 50 t 48
     
    ronv, Sep 30, 2020
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  8. Bowerbird

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    Just about where everything was before the debate - with Trump slipping on the first three slipping
     
    Bowerbird, Sep 30, 2020
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    This was the same mistake Hillary made. She and now Biden lets everything be about Trump.
     
    Chrizton, Sep 30, 2020
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  10. TedintheShed

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    My impression of the debate:

    Americans should be absolutely EMBARRASSED by these two, and absolutely anyone voting for either one of them should be ashamed.
     
    TedintheShed, Sep 30, 2020
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  11. FreshAir

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    that was what made me like Trump originally, but then saw the truth, and we should of all seen it by now, Trump is not cut out for the job of President

    Trump is just a narcissist with a fragile ego
     
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden won't raise taxes on blue collar, just the superrich and corporate tax at 28% is lower than it was under Clinton, which was 39%
    a time which economic growth was higher than under Trump. Also, it is worthy mentioning that America faired considerably better in terms of stock gains and GDP, overall , WITH DEMOCRATS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and, given that 2,868,676 more votes were cast for a democrat president in 2016, 17,537,638 more votes were cast for democrats than republicans in the senate in 2018, and 9,710,275 more votes were cast for democrats than for republicans in the house in 2018, not to mention that Biden has a considerable lead in the polls, nationally and in a number of key swing states, it's clear that the public, by a substantial margin, favors the message that Democrats offer compared to Republicans.

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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ahhh, the old 'your guy sucks just like ours did' argument. .

    You might want to try that on a sophomore debate 101 class. I doubt it would even fly there.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Sep 30, 2020
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    Correction: Biden the Weenie.

    You're welcome.
     
    doombug, Sep 30, 2020
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    I agree with you completely and I didn't even watch it. It was inevitable. We need to find a way to get good presidential candidates in the future. These two are an embarrassment.
     
    fmw, Sep 30, 2020
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    From reading this thread I would say his argument is solid.
     
    fmw, Sep 30, 2020
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    You're biased? Biden lost the minute he demanded that Hunter hadn't taken the money. When Hunter took 3.5M from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow, and then used said proceeds to invest in sex with sex slaves, that isn't "debunked", and his rage at demanding folks not listen or talk about the corruption in his own family might not resonate with criminal progressives, but it sure does in the rest of middle America. Getting tagged for having brokered said payments because Joe actually admitted on digital tape to have arranged it, from Burissma is actually everything criminal that the Mueller folks were supposed to indict Trump with. The ugly truth about Joe is, he's a criminal, his family are criminal, and Joe cannot escape the truth of those things. No matter how soft Chris Wallace's moderation might have been, folks are going to remember a teary eyed old man so angry that his dirty laundry was being waved in the debate wind for all to see and he couldn't stop it from happening.
     
    drluggit, Sep 30, 2020
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  18. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    He could have told Creepy joe the same thing. Lots of times. Joe got appropriately steam rolled, and folks just watched that he, as president would get steamrolled just as easily. It's a terrible thing the DNC has done to Creepy Joe, just putting him in the position to have been so utterly embarrassed by his own inability to defend his own feckless, criminal being.
     
    drluggit, Sep 30, 2020
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  19. Denizen

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    I agree that Trump has cunning in defending his own criminal acts.

    Please don't thank me for corroborating your opinion.
     
    Denizen, Sep 30, 2020
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  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd have to say I disagree with what I see as your false equivalence. Trump's behavior was demonstrably worse and he is responsible for the chaos that ensued.
     
    Lee Atwater, Sep 30, 2020
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    The real problem for Joe is that he seemed to back away from much of the wokester positions. They will now have to decide if he was lying for effect or telling the truth and if they suspect he was telling the truth they'll bail on him just like they did on Hillary. And "Law and some order." was lame, and will please no one with a brain.
     
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    People will remember this first debate, i am sure.

    It was that bad.
     
    Balto, Sep 30, 2020
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  23. Balto

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    You mean like that healthcare plan he still has not really tolled out, that he said he would up to three years ago?

    If Trump promises to show you something, you are better iff not holding your breath.
     
    Balto, Sep 30, 2020
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    Like ALL his other agreements throughout his life....
     
    FoxHastings, Sep 30, 2020
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    One more than the other, but yes.
     
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