US Senate declares itself Venezuela under Democratic leadership.

When the President of the United States acknowledges that the impeachment will not lead to conviction, what does that mean in world history? Well, when the presiding President Pro tempure is of the opposing party, one cannot call this a 'trial of his peers'. This is a dog and pony show trial, and it is the latest insult to the halls of the Senate.

The US Senate is our highest legislative body, it is the second highest body of power to the West wing itself. It has meaning and prestige, that meaning and prestige is more relevant than a former or sitting President of the US. In indulging itself in this manner, the American Senate for all time has brought our politics down to a 2nd or 3rd world power. You'd see something like this in those countries where the restraint of law does not exist or is not as powerful.

Why does the Senate disgrace itself so? and why do Democrats choose to disgrace themselves in this manner? Trump's in his 80's, he's clearly lost touch with the social media platforms he used for political leverage as well as the populace support of the nation. And if the attempt is to assure he's never on the ballot, that won't stop the people who support him in fact it might embolden them more to feel the need to resist.

But regardless of the political factors of Trump, the greatest political factor is that of the US Senate. By engaging a dog and pony show, the US Senate makes itself a mockery in the international community, it's just another example for the world to laugh at us for political incompetence.

 

When the senate has an impeachment trial the senators ARE THE JURY. If 45 members of a real jury said before they were supposed to judge a case, before hearing any evidence, that they didn't think the accused should be tried, THEY WOULD NEVER BE SELECTED FOR THE JURY BECAUSE THEY ARE BIASED!!!!!!! Jury's are supposed to sit in judgement with an open mind and convict or acquit based on the evidence as presented not on their preconceived BIASES.

 

Fear, anger or both?

 

You are right - it is not real trial with a real jury. It is just a political exercise that serves no purpose other than Pelosi/Schumer's desire for revenge If they are going to focus on what Trump said on 1/6 as their case, even I would acquit

Trump was a horrible president, but that is not the issue. Dems need to move forward or they will have issues in 2022, and most likely 2024

 

I thought the disgrace was on Jan 6th.

 

Do you see a single expression of fear or anger? If I do have anger, it's over the Senate looking like an international joke.

 

Well said.

 

You don't speak for the international community. You think it's a joke. If that were the only emotion involved, you wouldn't be expressing it in an OP. Something is obviously bothering you.

It's a trial. Wait for it, assess the evidence and then make your decision. Isn't that the normal thought process regarding trials?

 

That also excludes most Democrats in the Senate. Every Democrat just voted to proceed with impeachment. The issue wasn't a partisan one, it was a constitutional one, and every Democrat, like trained monkeys, voted it down.

What does that tell you about biases?

 

Impeachment is a POLITICAL EXERCISE...not a true, legal remedy. These Senators will be held accountable for their votes when they next stand for election. The Founding Fathers specifically created that reality. They wanted all politicians to face the judgment of the PEOPLE. If Chucky wants to spend a few million to parade a conga-line of idiot partisans to try and embarrass other Senators or FORMER President Trump, then let him. He's just a shill, like his counterpart in the house, nutty Nancy. Creepy Uncle Joe has 2 years to ram highly partisan bills into law. Short of them openly attempting to cheat again, they'll lose the majority in one or both houses of Congress. If they DO give in to the temptation to steal another election then I don't imagine this country will survive the aftermath of that. Millions of us would just walk away from voting and then the Left would overreach and become SO arrogant that they'd lose control.

 

Really hard to try and intellectually interpret anything anymore. It’s devolved into total tribal preservation. All that matters to most politicians is who is on their team , not what they did. All that matters to politicians is what will get them re elected. Politics has always been a dirty business, Trump just removed any doubt.

 

Troubled is they've already heard all the evidence there is as they do not live under a rock inside an amoeba under the body of a dead snake.

 

Are you a Capitol Hill insider? Of course not. I'll wait for the trial. You should too. There will be lots of evidence we haven't seen yet.

 

No there isn't. They didn't bother to collect any as they thought Trump's speech is all they needed. As it turns out they were wrong.

 

In terms of the getting convicted, it is meaningless, 17 Republicans will not convict no matter what they present

 

So what? I want to see it. I'm sure the whole world wants to see it. Tell me, how else do we get Senators on record? If we skip the trial, and Trump gets convicted of something, what prevents Senators from distancing themselves from Trump then? Absolutely nothing. No, I want a vote now.

 

So cynical politics will destroy the reputation of the Senate? We were wrong to hand over the Senate to Democrats. In 2022 and 2024 at the ballot box we'll correct that.

 

As long as Don (Corleone) Trump has power of the party, very few will cross him.

 

Expressing an opinion that doesn't have provocative language is protected under the first amendment. All it is, is simply an opinion.

 

Yes, and I want that recorded for posterity and the near future.

 

Where did you get your law degree? And what's bothering you? Trial, no trial. How does that affect you either way? See, I'd like to see a trial, for the reasons I've mentioned, but if there weren't one, I wouldn't care. Why do you care?

 

It tells me that once you include the 10 republicans, a bipartisan majority felt that there was enough evidence to indict based on the article of impeachment. That is more bipartisan support that Clinton's impeachment indictment received. Now stop whining and see what happens once the evidence and the constitution are debated. You can't just let a President instigating riots in the capital building to stop the certification of his opponent to replace him off the hook.

 

No, I can't let a President off the hook. But he's not the President anymore, and impeachment is for the removal of a President.

The 10 Republicans tell me that not all Republicans vote like trained monkeys.

And so let's not hear any more about bias. Every, single Democrat ... on a non-partisan constitutional question. Every .... single .... one.

 

Don't worry. The international community has been laughing (in muffled tones) at U.S. political corruption since the 1950s. I don't know the life-span of the average dog and poney but you can be sure that the entries in this "show" are surely the great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of the original contestants.

 

Just 'cause you Cons keep resorting to that slogan don't make it so.

Just 'cause you keep repeating that line don't make it so.

The Constitution is the Basic Law of the United States; and it provides a specifically political remedy for abuses of power by the Chief Magistrate - abuses which, the Founders anticipated, would often fall outside the scope of actions proscribed by law. Conviction in an impeachment trial makes no impositions on the liberty or property of Presidents; it simply deprives them of office.

Speak for yourself. Myself I think that for Congress to impeach a rogue president is one of the crowning proofs of the fact that law, not men, rules in the United States. That you think this is a "disgrace" tells us a lot more about you than it does anything else - and it's not good.

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Oh sure - so we should not pursue justice, instead we ought to try to appease domestic terrorists. Got it.

The only thing that is clear here, is that you have a deathly fear of Trump being held accountable. That of itself is good indication that Democrats are on the right track, on the right side of history here.