Dominion is suing Rudy Giuliani, seeking $1.3 billion in damages,

The only important thing is to have the machines examined without being wiped clean. I fear though they are being manipulated now in some way. If they were not faulty at the time, then why didn't the Democrat leaders of the States allow them to be examined? Instead they kept trying to impose on people that the election was not fraudulent - and not only with words, but with threats on their person, family and livelihood.

Rudy has nothing to lose other than appearing silly if he's wrong, since his money is probably under another name. He also filed a counter suit.

Boo-hoo, and
gobbley, goo.
They're gonna sue.
They're gonna sue.​

 

The Trump appointee to monitor election cyber activities said it was a clean election. AG Barr had no problem with it. The Republicans in Georgia and Arizona had no problem. All 50 State Governors (Democrats and Republicans alike, certified their state electors as correct and the electors represent the count. On Rudy's finances...Trump has collected approximately $200 million for the purpose of fighting the election results. Why can't Rudy use some of that money? Or, will Rudy use this as a reason to open another donor fund?

 

The latter is likely, of course. The sheeple can always be fleeced.
And I'd add to what you said: Dominion has shown that in many counties where they had their machines, Trump won.

 

How do you quantify tainted brand Centre..that is the question Dominion must question they must be able to show. The person claiming the defamation must demonstrate the quantum or amount of damages flowing from the tainting. So it's a difficult one for sure. In fact it's a difficult onus of proof in any defamation law suit which is why in most of them the amount awarded is just symbolic many a time.

I think Dominion doesn't really need thre money, I would think they need to set a precedent that Gulliani has no proof , so that in the future if this idiot or Trump keep repeating these falsegoods, once a coiurt case establishes them as false, then in future law suits Rudy, Donny et al now if they continue to repeat the same bull crap now can be sued not just limited to loss of business but also for punitive damages since in any subsequent proceedings the repeated falsehood would necessarily ignore the consequences of the first and therefore show premeditated recklessness a criteria for punitive damages.

That could be their strategy or part of it. So on that sense its more to deter future comments as opposed to any specific award of money. I guess the question is thogh have they lost any business? I am not sure. ..that said How I I can understand they had no choice. If they stay silent they look through their silence like they have something to hide. So this may be a public relations exercise more than a legal one. Sorry I can't answer it better but I think your comments grasp the subject as well as any of we lawyers and yes if they could show a reduction in market value that could be a basis for an amount to claim.

If they can prove that yes but I am not sure if there was one. Great question. I get asked it by law students all the time in civil litigation classes. I could refer you to defamation cases in the US as to how your courts have accepted quantification of business loss but ever such case is fact specific so I would not want to mislead you. I can say as a general rule American courts award much more money than we do in civil courts in Canada when they do award things.

As for Guiliani I think for any lawyer myself included to go to court with no evidence as he did and make claims is absolutely irresponsible and should be grounds for a sanction from the New York Bar. He deliberately abused the legal system and undermined its basic principles by engaging in what we call frivolous and vexatious proceedings. He's embarassed the law profession engaging in the hysteria he did. As well for any lawyer to stand up in front of a crowd and yell "trial by fire" should get him sanctioned. He knew his words were intended to incite and raise anger in a crowd he was urging to head to the capital buildings. Both he and Trump should be held accountable for repeated lying and incitement to violence using their positions of trust to exploit their powers to incite.

 

Thanks for the very reasonable answer. I like your style. It is good to have a lawyer among us; I hope you'll chime in when we struggle with understanding legal questions.

 

Great post! I agree that this is probably more PR than anything. Good for them.

Giuliani - no words. SMH.

 

I hadn't noticed this additional paragraph you added after I had read your post. I couldn't agree more. Giuliani is a disgrace and should be disbarred, and prosecuted for sedition. [Just a minor point: he yelled "trial by combat" not "trial by fire."]

 

Where’s your evidence he lied?

 

There's plenty of evidence because the Dominion machines have a paper trail that can be looked at and compared to the paper ballots themselves. Audits found the total of votes assigned by the machine to each candidate to match perfectly the paper trial/ballots. The idea that the Dominion machines changed votes is a conspiracy theory that will likely cost a bunch of money to the idiots who embraced it and defamed the company.

 

So apparently, Rudy has been spewing this nonsense on his podcast; nested between commercials for gold and other RW style commercials. Part of their claim is that he profited financially from his lies.

 

Yes sorry, trial by combat. Mea culpa.

 

I think that is it. I think Dominion may have found out he is charging and making money from the misrepresentations in which case to answer Center further, you can sue in a defamation law suit to recover any money made from the lie, i.e., any revenue from it would have to be handed over to Dominion. That is possible too. Very rare when that happens but yes the idea of a civil tort law suit is to not allow someone to financially benefit from a tort (wrong doing) like a defamatory statement. Good point.I forgot he's trying to capitalize on it. I heard they have shut him down on line for trying to do that. not sure though.

 

In that case, he can go after every penny that Trump received through donations to his "help me fight this," campaign.

 

you keep repeating this nonsense yet never reply when asked for proof ... who checked the machines and found a 68% error and alleged vote flipping? ... please respond ...

 

You need to understand that "alternative facts" have to be accepted without question, otherwise the entire web of lies that Trumpers believe in will collapse

 

Ohh!! I know this one. I spent an evening researching it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-election-fraud.582592/page-3#post-1072306694

While the report does not lay out specific reproduction steps for the error rate, the language used makes it fairly obvious they are using a typical event log to calculate the "error rate". But then they link to official guidelines which specifies how to calculate a "report error rate", which is calculated from a specific report (hence why it's termed "report error rate"). The overall claim is that the error rate is far above what is allowed by the guidelines of .0008%. But the error rate from the event log is in no way related to the "report error rate." Thus it is not evidence of anything particularly important.